From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: chris.m.malone@gmail.com Subject: Re: Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX (was: Fwd: Exporting latex without preamble) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:30:28 +0000 Message-ID: <20cf303dd274a4243904a6ef94c1@google.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303dd274a4242304a6ef94be Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54493) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QcJCK-0001yf-Ba for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:30:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QcJCI-0003oH-3y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:30:32 -0400 Received: from mail-vx0-f199.google.com ([209.85.220.199]:48697) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QcJCH-0003o0-QH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:30:29 -0400 Received: by vxg33 with SMTP id 33so1951920vxg.6 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 08:30:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "Thomas S. Dye" Cc: news1142@karl-voit.at, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --20cf303dd274a4242304a6ef94be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi Tom, I've seen many of the examples you've added to the mailing list and worg. I also enjoy using Org-mode for writing my own documents and webpages - currently I'm using it to write my Ph.D. dissertation. I'm curious how you work on Org-mode papers for publication with collaborators? In particular, do all of your collaborators know and use Org-mode themselves? Our current method is just to use ordinary LaTeX files in a CVS repository for collaboration. I think it would be difficult to get my collaborators to all use Org-mode - even though they all use emacs. Org-mode has quite a bit of a learning curve that they probably don't have the time or patience to learn currently. Chris On Jun 30, 2011 2:35am, "Thomas S. Dye" wrote: > Aloha Karl, > I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much > pleasure. > I've been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible > research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my > case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass > results between code blocks written in different languages. I can't do > these things in AucTeX. > At first, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and > LaTeX. I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little things > work right. I'm still not able to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like > from within Org-mode, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently > that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode. > The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. I'm really liking it as an > authoring environment. > All the best, > Tom > Karl Voit writes: > > * Thomas S. Dye tsd@tsdye.com> wrote: > >> Aloha Rafael, > > > > Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of > > view. > > > > First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now > > and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners. > > > >> Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find > >> Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in > indirect > >> buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that > >> functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files. > > > > I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that > > you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via > > LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode. > > > > On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written > > very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to > > add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting > > this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too > > and so forth. > > > > In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick > > to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune > > because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for > > LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and > > RefTeX). > > > > I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents, > > where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part > > to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document > > content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for > > writing documents that end up being great PDFs. > > > > But this is just my point of view. > -- > Thomas S. Dye > http://www.tsdye.com --20cf303dd274a4242304a6ef94be Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom,

I've seen many of the examples you've added to t= he mailing list and worg. I also enjoy using Org-mode for writing my own d= ocuments and webpages - currently I'm using it to write my Ph.D. disser= tation.

I'm curious how you work on Org-mode papers for publ= ication with collaborators? In particular, do all of your collaborators kn= ow and use Org-mode themselves? Our current method is just to use ordinary= LaTeX files in a CVS repository for collaboration. I think it would be di= fficult to get my collaborators to all use Org-mode - even though they all = use emacs. Org-mode has quite a bit of a learning curve that they probably= don't have the time or patience to learn currently.

Chris
On Jun 30, 2011 2:35am, "Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.c= om> wrote:
> Aloha Karl,
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> At firs= t, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and
> > LaTeX. =A0I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little= things
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> work right. =A0I'm still not able to contr= ol LaTeX as finely as I'd like
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> from within Org-mod= e, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently
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> = that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode.
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> The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. =A0I'= m really liking it as an
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> authoring environment.
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> All the best,
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> Tom=
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> Karl Voit= writes:
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> > * Thomas S. Dye t= sd@tsdye.com> wrote:
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> >> Aloha Rafael,
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> >
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> > Sorry, I thought you might as = well be interested in my point of
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> > view.
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> >
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> > First: I am pretty new to Org-mo= de but I am using LaTeX a while now
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> > and I am even= teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners.
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> >
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> >> Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org f= ile? =A0I find
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> >> Org-mode's ability to fold= on headlines and to edit subtrees in indirect
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> >>= ; buffers very convenient, even for long documents. =A0For my work, that>
> >> functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files= .
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> >
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> > I did not follow the = thread here but I do think I get the idea that
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> > yo= u want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via
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> > LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode.
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>= ; >
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> > On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) = PDF documents are written
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> > very easily with Org-mo= de. But on the other hand you are going to
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> > add ju= st another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting
> > > this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature= too
>
> > and so forth.
>
> >
>
> > In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, yo= u should stick
>
> > to LaTeX. And I do have good news = to you: You are very fortune
>
> > because Emacs does h= ave the IMHO most advanced editor support for
>
> > LaT= eX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and
> > > RefTeX).
>
> >
>
> > I= plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents,
> > > where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from on= e part
>
> > to the other. But before I start to write = the detailed document
>
> > content, I move to AucTeX, = having the great possibilities for
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> > writing docume= nts that end up being great PDFs.
>
> >
>
> > But this is just my point of view.
>
>
&g= t;
> --
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> Thomas S. Dye
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> ht= tp://www.tsdye.com
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