From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jose Robins Subject: Agenda view for logging? Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:31:04 -0700 Message-ID: <47FBC7F8.1050808@yahoo.com> Reply-To: wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0157319650==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjJcg-0001ni-Q8 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:36:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjJcb-0001kv-Or for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:36:50 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjJcb-0001kg-HI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:36:45 -0400 Received: from n2.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([68.142.237.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjJcZ-00017Z-Jm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:36:43 -0400 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: org-mode This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0157319650== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020002010609060909070300" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020002010609060909070300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm slowly getting familiar with the agenda view. I see that the agenda view shows the "time-of-day-specification" in the time column. Is there any way to show the time stamps based on the logbook entries? So e.g. If the clock properties for a headline1 is from 9:20 am to 9:55 am, and headline2 has 10:15 to 10:44 am, then the agenda view should show ... 9:20-9:55 headline1 10:15-10:44 headline2 (instead of the time-of-day). Is that possible? Also, the manual says in page 67 of the pdf : "a time range may appear as plain text (like '12:45' or a "8:30-1pm"). If I understood this correctly, I should be able to put... *task1 8:30-1:00pm in an org file and if I go to the agenda view, I should see this listed in today's agenda from 8:30 am to 1:00pm. However I don't seem to be able to see that happening. Did I get that wrong? I'm using verson 5.23a of or-mode in emacs 22.1 Thanks, Jose --------------020002010609060909070300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm slowly getting familiar with the agenda view. I see that the agenda view shows the "time-of-day-specification" in the time column. Is there any way to show the time stamps based on the logbook entries? So e.g. If the clock properties for a headline1 is from 9:20 am to 9:55 am, and headline2 has 10:15 to 10:44 am, then  the agenda view should show ...

9:20-9:55   headline1
10:15-10:44 headline2

(instead of the time-of-day). Is that possible?

Also, the manual says in page 67 of the pdf : "a time range may appear as plain text (like '12:45' or a "8:30-1pm"). If I understood this correctly, I should be able to put...

*task1 8:30-1:00pm 

in an org file and if I go to the agenda view, I should see this listed in today's agenda from 8:30 am to 1:00pm. However I don't seem to be able to see that happening. Did I get that wrong? I'm using verson 5.23a of or-mode in emacs 22.1

Thanks,
Jose
--------------020002010609060909070300-- --===============0157319650== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============0157319650==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Manish Subject: Re: Agenda view for logging? Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:34:55 +0530 Message-ID: References: <47FBC7F8.1050808@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjUMf-00007X-VV for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:05:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjUMe-00007G-HP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:05:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjUMe-00007D-CK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:05:00 -0400 Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjUMd-0000Xi-MI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:04:59 -0400 Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.142.191]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjUMc-0005bH-SF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:04:59 -0400 Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a20so971946tia.10 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:04:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <47FBC7F8.1050808@yahoo.com> Content-Disposition: inline List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com Cc: org-mode On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Jose Robins wrote: > > I'm slowly getting familiar with the agenda view. I see that the agenda > view shows the "time-of-day-specification" in the time column. Is there any > way to show the time stamps based on the logbook entries? So e.g. If the > clock properties for a headline1 is from 9:20 am to 9:55 am, and headline2 > has 10:15 to 10:44 am, then the agenda view should show ... > > 9:20-9:55 headline1 > 10:15-10:44 headline2 > You do get this if you create a task like so: ******* TODO 1pm-14:30 another test task for Jose SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed> CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:30] ******* TODO test task for Jose 12:30-8:00pm SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed> CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:15] And the agenda (with time grid turned on) looks like this: Day-agenda (W15): Wednesday 9 April 2008 8:00...... ------------------------- 9:00...... ------------------------- 10:00...... ------------------------- 11:00...... ------------------------- 12:00...... ------------------------- braindump: 12:30-20:00 Scheduled: TODO test task for Jose 13:00...... ------------------------- 14:00...... ------------------------- braindump: 13:00-14:30 Scheduled: TODO another test task for Jose 15:00...... ------------------------- 16:00...... ------------------------- 17:00...... ------------------------- 18:00...... ------------------------- 19:00...... ------------------------- 20:00...... ------------------------- 21:00...... ------------------------- 22:00...... ------------------------ > (instead of the time-of-day). Is that possible? > > Also, the manual says in page 67 of the pdf : "a time range may appear as > plain text (like '12:45' or a "8:30-1pm"). This is in section 10.4.2 / page marked #70 or page 77 as reported by PDF reader (at least in manual for Release 6.00pre-2). > If I understood this correctly, I > should be able to put... > > *task1 8:30-1:00pm > > in an org file and if I go to the agenda view, I should see this listed in > today's agenda from 8:30 am to 1:00pm. However I don't seem to be able to > see that happening. Did I get that wrong? I'm using verson 5.23a of or-mode > in emacs 22.1 > I think you either have not added SCHEDULED (C-c C-s) or have not turned the time grid on (`G' in agenda view). HTH, -- Manish From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jose Robins Subject: Re: Agenda view for logging? Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:00:46 -0700 Message-ID: <47FCF63E.9070805@yahoo.com> References: <47FBC7F8.1050808@yahoo.com> Reply-To: wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0844902966==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjdfJ-0008RW-Bv for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:00:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjdfG-0008PC-P9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:00:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjdfG-0008Ou-FI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:00:50 -0400 Received: from smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.106.151]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjdfF-0003YP-Le for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:00:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Manish Cc: org-mode This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0844902966== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060504020407070109020700" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060504020407070109020700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to "schedule" it as well. Now it works... Thanks, Manish wrote: > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Jose Robins wrote: > > > > I'm slowly getting familiar with the agenda view. I see that the agenda > > view shows the "time-of-day-specification" in the time column. > Is there any > > way to show the time stamps based on the logbook entries? So e.g. If the > > clock properties for a headline1 is from 9:20 am to 9:55 am, and headline2 > > has 10:15 to 10:44 am, then the agenda view should show ... > > > > 9:20-9:55 headline1 > > 10:15-10:44 headline2 > > > > You do get this if you create a task like so: > > ******* TODO 1pm-14:30 another test task for Jose > SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed> > CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:30] > ******* TODO test task for Jose 12:30-8:00pm > SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed> > CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:15] > > And the agenda (with time grid turned on) looks like this: > > Day-agenda (W15): > Wednesday 9 April 2008 > 8:00...... ------------------------- > 9:00...... ------------------------- > 10:00...... ------------------------- > 11:00...... ------------------------- > 12:00...... ------------------------- > braindump: 12:30-20:00 Scheduled: TODO test task for Jose > 13:00...... ------------------------- > 14:00...... ------------------------- > braindump: 13:00-14:30 Scheduled: TODO another test task for Jose > 15:00...... ------------------------- > 16:00...... ------------------------- > 17:00...... ------------------------- > 18:00...... ------------------------- > 19:00...... ------------------------- > 20:00...... ------------------------- > 21:00...... ------------------------- > 22:00...... ------------------------ > > > (instead of the time-of-day). Is that possible? > > > > Also, the manual says in page 67 of the pdf : "a time range may appear as > > plain text (like '12:45' or a "8:30-1pm"). > > This is in section 10.4.2 / page marked #70 or page 77 as reported by > PDF reader (at least in manual for Release 6.00pre-2). > > > If I understood this correctly, I > > should be able to put... > > > > *task1 8:30-1:00pm > > > > in an org file and if I go to the agenda view, I should see > this listed in > > today's agenda from 8:30 am to 1:00pm. However I don't seem to be able to > > see that happening. Did I get that wrong? I'm using verson 5.23a > of or-mode > > in emacs 22.1 > > > > I think you either have not added SCHEDULED (C-c C-s) or have not > turned the time grid on (`G' in agenda view). > > HTH, > -- Manish > > --------------060504020407070109020700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to "schedule" it as well. Now it works...

Thanks,
Manish wrote: 
    On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Jose Robins wrote:
    >
    >  I'm slowly getting familiar with the agenda view. I see that the agenda
    > view shows the "time-of-day-specification" in the time column.
Is there any
    > way to show the time stamps based on the logbook entries? So e.g. If the
    > clock properties for a headline1 is from 9:20 am to 9:55 am, and headline2
    > has 10:15 to 10:44 am, then  the agenda view should show ...
    >
    >  9:20-9:55   headline1
    >  10:15-10:44 headline2
    >

You do get this if you create a task like so:

******* TODO 1pm-14:30 another test task for Jose
               SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed>
               CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:30]
******* TODO test task for Jose 12:30-8:00pm
               SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed>
               CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:15]

And the agenda (with time grid turned on) looks like this:

Day-agenda (W15):
Wednesday   9 April 2008
                    8:00...... -------------------------
                    9:00...... -------------------------
                   10:00...... -------------------------
                   11:00...... -------------------------
                   12:00...... -------------------------
  braindump:       12:30-20:00 Scheduled:  TODO test task for Jose
                   13:00...... -------------------------
                   14:00...... -------------------------
  braindump:       13:00-14:30 Scheduled:  TODO another test task for Jose
                   15:00...... -------------------------
                   16:00...... -------------------------
                   17:00...... -------------------------
                   18:00...... -------------------------
                   19:00...... -------------------------
                   20:00...... -------------------------
                   21:00...... -------------------------
                   22:00...... ------------------------

    >  (instead of the time-of-day). Is that possible?
    >
    >  Also, the manual says in page 67 of the pdf : "a time range may appear as
    > plain text (like '12:45' or a "8:30-1pm").

This is in section 10.4.2 / page marked #70 or page 77 as reported by
PDF reader (at least in manual for Release 6.00pre-2).

    > If I understood this correctly, I
    > should be able to put...
    >
    >  *task1 8:30-1:00pm
    >
    >  in an org file and if I go to the agenda view, I should see
this listed in
    > today's agenda from 8:30 am to 1:00pm. However I don't seem to be able to
    > see that happening. Did I get that wrong? I'm using verson 5.23a
of or-mode
    > in emacs 22.1
    >

I think you either have not added SCHEDULED (C-c C-s) or have not
turned the time grid on (`G' in agenda view).

HTH,
-- Manish
--------------060504020407070109020700-- --===============0844902966== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============0844902966==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Agenda view for logging? Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:22:16 +0200 Message-ID: References: <47FBC7F8.1050808@yahoo.com> <47FCF63E.9070805@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jje07-00015F-Vh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:22:24 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jje05-00014v-VR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:22:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jje05-00014s-QB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:22:21 -0400 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.189]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jje05-00010K-Bi for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:22:21 -0400 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 26so3600940fkx.10 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:22:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <47FCF63E.9070805@yahoo.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com Cc: org-mode On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Jose Robins wrote: > > Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to "schedule" > it as well. Now it works... Well, how else should the agenda know on which date the entry should be shown... - Carsten > > > Thanks, > Manish wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Jose Robins wrote: >> > >> > I'm slowly getting familiar with the agenda view. I see that >> the agenda >> > view shows the "time-of-day-specification" in the time column. >> Is there any >> > way to show the time stamps based on the logbook entries? So >> e.g. If the >> > clock properties for a headline1 is from 9:20 am to 9:55 am, >> and headline2 >> > has 10:15 to 10:44 am, then the agenda view should show ... >> > >> > 9:20-9:55 headline1 >> > 10:15-10:44 headline2 >> > >> >> You do get this if you create a task like so: >> >> ******* TODO 1pm-14:30 another test task for Jose >> SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed> >> CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:30] >> ******* TODO test task for Jose 12:30-8:00pm >> SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed> >> CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:15] >> >> And the agenda (with time grid turned on) looks like this: >> >> Day-agenda (W15): >> Wednesday 9 April 2008 >> 8:00...... ------------------------- >> 9:00...... ------------------------- >> 10:00...... ------------------------- >> 11:00...... ------------------------- >> 12:00...... ------------------------- >> braindump: 12:30-20:00 Scheduled: TODO test task for Jose >> 13:00...... ------------------------- >> 14:00...... ------------------------- >> braindump: 13:00-14:30 Scheduled: TODO another test task >> for Jose >> 15:00...... ------------------------- >> 16:00...... ------------------------- >> 17:00...... ------------------------- >> 18:00...... ------------------------- >> 19:00...... ------------------------- >> 20:00...... ------------------------- >> 21:00...... ------------------------- >> 22:00...... ------------------------ >> >> > (instead of the time-of-day). Is that possible? >> > >> > Also, the manual says in page 67 of the pdf : "a time range >> may appear as >> > plain text (like '12:45' or a "8:30-1pm"). >> >> This is in section 10.4.2 / page marked #70 or page 77 as reported by >> PDF reader (at least in manual for Release 6.00pre-2). >> >> > If I understood this correctly, I >> > should be able to put... >> > >> > *task1 8:30-1:00pm >> > >> > in an org file and if I go to the agenda view, I should see >> this listed in >> > today's agenda from 8:30 am to 1:00pm. However I don't seem >> to be able to >> > see that happening. Did I get that wrong? I'm using verson >> 5.23a >> of or-mode >> > in emacs 22.1 >> > >> >> I think you either have not added SCHEDULED (C-c C-s) or have not >> turned the time grid on (`G' in agenda view). >> >> HTH, >> -- Manish >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jose Robins Subject: Re: Agenda view for logging? Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:56:59 -0700 Message-ID: <47FD1F8B.2000708@yahoo.com> References: <47FBC7F8.1050808@yahoo.com> <47FCF63E.9070805@yahoo.com> Reply-To: wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0396429727==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjh9o-0003Yc-FX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:44:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjh9m-0003Xb-Fa for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:44:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjh9m-0003XV-7C for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:44:34 -0400 Received: from omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.201.66]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jjh9k-00066W-3i for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:44:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: org-mode This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0396429727== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000309050709060108040006" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000309050709060108040006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carsten Dominik wrote: > > On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Jose Robins wrote: > >> >> Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to "schedule" >> it as well. Now it works... > > Well, how else should the agenda know on which date the entry should > be shown... > > - Carsten > My (apparently flawed) reasoning was that, the feature was meant to provide a quick and dirty way to show tasks meant for "today" in the agenda view and would show up on today's agenda regardless of whether it was scheduled or not. Jose >> >> >> Thanks, >> Manish wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Jose Robins wrote: >>> > >>> > I'm slowly getting familiar with the agenda view. I see that >>> the agenda >>> > view shows the "time-of-day-specification" in the time column. >>> Is there any >>> > way to show the time stamps based on the logbook entries? So >>> e.g. If the >>> > clock properties for a headline1 is from 9:20 am to 9:55 am, >>> and headline2 >>> > has 10:15 to 10:44 am, then the agenda view should show ... >>> > >>> > 9:20-9:55 headline1 >>> > 10:15-10:44 headline2 >>> > >>> >>> You do get this if you create a task like so: >>> >>> ******* TODO 1pm-14:30 another test task for Jose >>> SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed> >>> CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:30] >>> ******* TODO test task for Jose 12:30-8:00pm >>> SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed> >>> CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:15] >>> >>> And the agenda (with time grid turned on) looks like this: >>> >>> Day-agenda (W15): >>> Wednesday 9 April 2008 >>> 8:00...... ------------------------- >>> 9:00...... ------------------------- >>> 10:00...... ------------------------- >>> 11:00...... ------------------------- >>> 12:00...... ------------------------- >>> braindump: 12:30-20:00 Scheduled: TODO test task for Jose >>> 13:00...... ------------------------- >>> 14:00...... ------------------------- >>> braindump: 13:00-14:30 Scheduled: TODO another test task >>> for Jose >>> 15:00...... ------------------------- >>> 16:00...... ------------------------- >>> 17:00...... ------------------------- >>> 18:00...... ------------------------- >>> 19:00...... ------------------------- >>> 20:00...... ------------------------- >>> 21:00...... ------------------------- >>> 22:00...... ------------------------ >>> >>> > (instead of the time-of-day). Is that possible? >>> > >>> > Also, the manual says in page 67 of the pdf : "a time range >>> may appear as >>> > plain text (like '12:45' or a "8:30-1pm"). >>> >>> This is in section 10.4.2 / page marked #70 or page 77 as reported by >>> PDF reader (at least in manual for Release 6.00pre-2). >>> >>> > If I understood this correctly, I >>> > should be able to put... >>> > >>> > *task1 8:30-1:00pm >>> > >>> > in an org file and if I go to the agenda view, I should see >>> this listed in >>> > today's agenda from 8:30 am to 1:00pm. However I don't seem to >>> be able to >>> > see that happening. Did I get that wrong? I'm using verson 5.23a >>> of or-mode >>> > in emacs 22.1 >>> > >>> >>> I think you either have not added SCHEDULED (C-c C-s) or have not >>> turned the time grid on (`G' in agenda view). >>> >>> HTH, >>> -- Manish >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > --------------000309050709060108040006 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Carsten Dominik wrote:

On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Jose Robins wrote:


Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to "schedule" it as well. Now it works...

Well, how else should the agenda know on which date the entry should be shown...

- Carsten

My (apparently flawed) reasoning was that, the feature was meant to provide a quick and dirty way to show tasks meant for "today" in the agenda view and would show up on today's agenda regardless of whether it was scheduled or not.

Jose


Thanks,
Manish wrote:

    On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Jose Robins wrote:
    >
    >  I'm slowly getting familiar with the agenda view. I see that the agenda
    > view shows the "time-of-day-specification" in the time column.
Is there any
    > way to show the time stamps based on the logbook entries? So e.g. If the
    > clock properties for a headline1 is from 9:20 am to 9:55 am, and headline2
    > has 10:15 to 10:44 am, then  the agenda view should show ...
    >
    >  9:20-9:55   headline1
    >  10:15-10:44 headline2
    >

You do get this if you create a task like so:

******* TODO 1pm-14:30 another test task for Jose
               SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed>
               CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:30]
******* TODO test task for Jose 12:30-8:00pm
               SCHEDULED: <2008-04-09 Wed>
               CREATED: [2008-04-09 Wed 12:15]

And the agenda (with time grid turned on) looks like this:

Day-agenda (W15):
Wednesday   9 April 2008
                    8:00...... -------------------------
                    9:00...... -------------------------
                   10:00...... -------------------------
                   11:00...... -------------------------
                   12:00...... -------------------------
  braindump:       12:30-20:00 Scheduled:  TODO test task for Jose
                   13:00...... -------------------------
                   14:00...... -------------------------
  braindump:       13:00-14:30 Scheduled:  TODO another test task for Jose
                   15:00...... -------------------------
                   16:00...... -------------------------
                   17:00...... -------------------------
                   18:00...... -------------------------
                   19:00...... -------------------------
                   20:00...... -------------------------
                   21:00...... -------------------------
                   22:00...... ------------------------

    >  (instead of the time-of-day). Is that possible?
    >
    >  Also, the manual says in page 67 of the pdf : "a time range may appear as
    > plain text (like '12:45' or a "8:30-1pm").

This is in section 10.4.2 / page marked #70 or page 77 as reported by
PDF reader (at least in manual for Release 6.00pre-2).

    > If I understood this correctly, I
    > should be able to put...
    >
    >  *task1 8:30-1:00pm
    >
    >  in an org file and if I go to the agenda view, I should see
this listed in
    > today's agenda from 8:30 am to 1:00pm. However I don't seem to be able to
    > see that happening. Did I get that wrong? I'm using verson 5.23a
of or-mode
    > in emacs 22.1
    >

I think you either have not added SCHEDULED (C-c C-s) or have not
turned the time grid on (`G' in agenda view).

HTH,
-- Manish


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--------------000309050709060108040006-- --===============0396429727== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============0396429727==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Manish Subject: Re: Agenda view for logging? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:00:49 +0530 Message-ID: References: <47FBC7F8.1050808@yahoo.com> <47FCF63E.9070805@yahoo.com> <47FD1F8B.2000708@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjoR8-0006sT-J1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:30:58 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjoR3-0006oV-Sx for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:30:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjoR3-0006oO-Gm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:30:53 -0400 Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.142.184]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjoR3-0005D4-2p for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:30:53 -0400 Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a20so1192650tia.10 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:30:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <47FD1F8B.2000708@yahoo.com> Content-Disposition: inline List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com Cc: org-mode On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Jose Robins wrote: > Carsten Dominik wrote: > > On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Jose Robins wrote: > > Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to "schedule" it as > well. Now it works... > > Well, how else should the agenda know on which date the entry should be > shown... > > - Carsten > > My (apparently flawed) reasoning was that, the feature was meant to provide > a quick and dirty way to show tasks meant for "today" in the agenda view and > would show up on today's agenda regardless of whether it was scheduled or > not. > That sounds quite reasonable and should be default, I guess. I would like to request this if others also see it that way. -- Manish From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Agenda view for logging? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:32:23 +0200 Message-ID: <9B2980C0-6C99-48D4-A1D2-5E33EA0D487E@science.uva.nl> References: <47FBC7F8.1050808@yahoo.com> <47FCF63E.9070805@yahoo.com> <47FD1F8B.2000708@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jju58-0000wy-BT for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:32:39 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jju52-0000uZ-L7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:32:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jju50-0000tX-4x for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:32:30 -0400 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.185]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jju4z-000455-NZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:32:29 -0400 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 26so4083190fkx.10 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:32:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Manish Cc: org-mode Hi Jose, Manish I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda. A fast way to add agenda item for the day is to use the Emacs diary. In the agenda buffer, you can press "i d" to add a quick entry to the diary, for the day at point. Then make sure that the agenda does read the diary as well, with (setq org-agenda-include-diary t) You could even write a quick function that just prompts for the entry and inserts it into the diary, so the diary buffer would never have to pop up. - Carsten On Apr 10, 2008, at 6:30 AM, Manish wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Jose Robins wrote: >> Carsten Dominik wrote: >> >> On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Jose Robins wrote: >> >> Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to >> "schedule" it as >> well. Now it works... >> >> Well, how else should the agenda know on which date the entry >> should be >> shown... >> >> - Carsten >> >> My (apparently flawed) reasoning was that, the feature was meant to >> provide >> a quick and dirty way to show tasks meant for "today" in the agenda >> view and >> would show up on today's agenda regardless of whether it was >> scheduled or >> not. >> > > That sounds quite reasonable and should be default, I guess. I would > like to request this if others also see it that way. > > -- Manish From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: jadamson@partners.org (Joel J. Adamson) Subject: Re: Agenda view for logging? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:55:04 -0400 Message-ID: <87y77lolvr.fsf@W0053328.mgh.harvard.edu> References: <47FBC7F8.1050808@yahoo.com> <47FCF63E.9070805@yahoo.com> <47FD1F8B.2000708@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjxFK-0004LE-4w for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:55:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjxFI-0004JE-2W for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:55:21 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjxFH-0004Iv-ET for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:55:19 -0400 Received: from phsmgmx10.partners.org ([155.52.251.101]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjxFF-0001Il-5O for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:55:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <47FD1F8B.2000708@yahoo.com> (Jose Robins's message of "Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:56:59 -0700") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com Cc: org-mode Jose Robins writes: > Carsten Dominik wrote: > > On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Jose Robins wrote: > > Thanks Manish for the response. I didn't realize I had to "schedule" > it as well. Now it works... > > Well, how else should the agenda know on which date the entry should be > shown... > > - Carsten > > My (apparently flawed) reasoning was that, the feature was meant to provide a > quick and dirty way to show tasks meant for "today" in the agenda view and > would show up on today's agenda regardless of whether it was scheduled or not. Everything I give a time-stamp to shows up in the agenda time grid. Are you seeing something different? I don't have to schedule or deadline anything. Joel -- Joel J. Adamson Biostatistician Pediatric Psychopharmacology Research Unit Massachusetts General Hospital Boston, MA 02114 (617) 643-1432 (303) 880-3109 Public key: http://pgp.mit.edu The information transmitted in this electronic communication is intended only for the person or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this information in error, please contact the Compliance HelpLine at 800-856-1983 and properly dispose of this information. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: jadamson@partners.org (Joel J. Adamson) Subject: Re: Agenda view for logging? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:56:34 -0400 Message-ID: <87tzi9olt9.fsf@W0053328.mgh.harvard.edu> References: <47FBC7F8.1050808@yahoo.com> <47FCF63E.9070805@yahoo.com> <47FD1F8B.2000708@yahoo.com> <9B2980C0-6C99-48D4-A1D2-5E33EA0D487E@science.uva.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjxGa-00050p-LN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:56:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjxGY-000507-RZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:56:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjxGY-0004zy-LK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:56:38 -0400 Received: from phsmgmx9.partners.org ([155.52.251.100]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjxGX-0002On-Ug for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:56:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9B2980C0-6C99-48D4-A1D2-5E33EA0D487E@science.uva.nl> (Carsten Dominik's message of "Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:32:23 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: org-mode Carsten Dominik writes: > Hi Jose, Manish > > I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry > that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda. I think I missed part of this conversation. If I put ** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 > in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda time-grid. Is this not the intended behavior? Joel -- Joel J. Adamson Biostatistician Pediatric Psychopharmacology Research Unit Massachusetts General Hospital Boston, MA 02114 (617) 643-1432 (303) 880-3109 Public key: http://pgp.mit.edu The information transmitted in this electronic communication is intended only for the person or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this information in error, please contact the Compliance HelpLine at 800-856-1983 and properly dispose of this information. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jose Robins Subject: Re: Agenda view for logging? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:09:21 -0700 Message-ID: <47FE2DA1.3060109@yahoo.com> References: <47FBC7F8.1050808@yahoo.com> <47FCF63E.9070805@yahoo.com> <47FD1F8B.2000708@yahoo.com> <9B2980C0-6C99-48D4-A1D2-5E33EA0D487E@science.uva.nl> <87tzi9olt9.fsf@W0053328.mgh.harvard.edu> Reply-To: wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0722395065==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjyo6-0004n8-8z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:35:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjyo5-0004mw-NM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:35:22 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjyo5-0004mt-I4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:35:21 -0400 Received: from n4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.28]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jjyo5-0002tD-9Q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:35:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87tzi9olt9.fsf@W0053328.mgh.harvard.edu> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "Joel J. Adamson" Cc: org-mode This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0722395065== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030908000202050902050702" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030908000202050902050702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joel J. Adamson wrote: > Carsten Dominik writes: > > >> Hi Jose, Manish >> >> I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry >> that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda. >> > > I think I missed part of this conversation. If I put > > ** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 > > > in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda > time-grid. Is this not the intended behavior? > > Joel > > Yes, that is intended behavior and it works fine. The question was whether a time range without a time-stamp would work as well. something like... ** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog - would put this task in "today's" agenda view. I see Carsten's point about not wanting to recognize any arbitrary text string which looks like a time to be considered a "time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string which looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for today which appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. The beauty is that (a) you avoid having to type in extra keystrokes to schedule it, (b) no need to clutter with an additional date and (c) if it doesn't get done or something, when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up there as well and it doesn't get lost. Of course, I may be asking for things that may have other negative implications, since after all, I'm still a rookie with org mode (still wet behind the ears) and maybe there are better approaches to this. :-) --------------030908000202050902050702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Joel J. Adamson wrote: 
Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:

  
Hi Jose, Manish

I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry
that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda.
    

I think I missed part of this conversation.  If I put

** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 >

in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda
time-grid.  Is this not the intended behavior?

Joel
Yes, that is intended behavior and it works fine. The question was whether a time range without a time-stamp would work as well. something like...

** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog
- would put this task in "today's" agenda view.

I see Carsten's  point about not wanting to recognize any arbitrary text string which looks like a time to be considered a "time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string which looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for today which appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. The beauty is that (a) you avoid having to type in extra keystrokes to schedule it, (b) no need to clutter with an additional date and (c) if it doesn't get done or something, when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up there as well and it doesn't get lost.

Of course, I may be asking for things that may have other negative implications, since after all, I'm still a rookie with org mode (still wet behind the ears) and maybe there are better approaches to this.  :-)


--------------030908000202050902050702-- --===============0722395065== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============0722395065==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Richard G Riley Subject: Re: Agenda view for logging? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:42:34 +0200 Message-ID: References: <47FBC7F8.1050808@yahoo.com> <47FCF63E.9070805@yahoo.com> <47FD1F8B.2000708@yahoo.com> <9B2980C0-6C99-48D4-A1D2-5E33EA0D487E@science.uva.nl> <87tzi9olt9.fsf@W0053328.mgh.harvard.edu> <47FE2DA1.3060109@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjyvC-0006NR-C0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:42:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjyvA-0006N6-S3 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:42:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjyvA-0006N3-ON for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:42:40 -0400 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjyvA-0004Qi-GT for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:42:40 -0400 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so59151fga.30 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:42:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <47FE2DA1.3060109@yahoo.com> (Jose Robins's message of "Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:09:21 -0700") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com Cc: org-mode Hello, , Joel J. Adamson! Jose Robins writes: > Joel J. Adamson wrote: >> Carsten Dominik writes: >> >> >>> Hi Jose, Manish >>> >>> I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry >>> that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda. >>> >> >> I think I missed part of this conversation. If I put >> >> ** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 > >> >> in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda >> time-grid. Is this not the intended behavior? >> >> Joel >> >> > Yes, that is intended behavior and it works fine. The question was > whether a time range without a time-stamp would work as > well. something like... > > ** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog > - would put this task in "today's" agenda view. > > I see Carsten's point about not wanting to recognize any arbitrary > text string which looks like a time to be considered a > "time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string > which looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for today > which appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. The beauty is > that (a) you avoid having to type in extra keystrokes to schedule it, > (b) no need to clutter with an additional date and (c) if it doesn't > get done or something, when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up > there as well and it doesn't get lost. Better would be a duration rather than an end date/time. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: bva@alexanderonline.org Subject: Re: Agenda view for logging? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:36:14 +0100 Message-ID: <40CEEB8B-2F3F-41E4-885C-58625F7FC5EB@alexanderonline.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjzl9-000070-C4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:36:23 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjzl7-0008WG-IW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:36:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjzl7-0008W1-DW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:36:21 -0400 Received: from harley.gnservers.com ([72.52.242.16]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jjzl6-0007vf-TQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:36:21 -0400 Received: from [86.149.160.195] (helo=[192.168.2.100]) by harley.gnservers.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jjzl3-0000wy-14 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:36:17 -0400 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Jose, I'm also still very much a rookie, in GTD and in org-mode. But I'd argue against added one more way to add something to the agenda time grid. Things show up in the time grid if 1) you use C-c C-s (adds SCHEDULED: property to headline) 2) you use C-c C-d (adds DEADLINE: property to headline) 3) you use C-u C-c . (inserts timestamp at point; headline will show up in agenda) As a novice, I've come to the belief that these multiple ways of 'scheduling' (I mean only that a line of text is added to the agenda) have grown organically from org-mode's past, by not dropping an older, simpler way, but adding a new mechanism for a specific type of time- management problem. Each one has its own small differences in how it interacts with other features of org-mode to support the specific issue it addresses (deadlines show up in red, e.g.) I offer the following thoughts quite humbly, knowing that I'm likely among the least effective time-manager and org-mode user on this list. In response to your concerns a) no need to type extra characters response: perhaps you could try the commands listed above. You only need to type the time-range, and org-mode fills in the rest b) no need to clutter up with the date response: SCHEDULED and DEADLINE properties can be folded under the headline (in fact, they can be put into the PROPERTY drawer, if you'd really like to hide them. And there's no extra date verbage in the time grid (and I think there is a customization for removing the word 'Scheduled' if you don't like it, but I haven't decided to dislike it *that* much. It's the default and I trust it's there for a good reason) c) if I miss it today, it'll show up tomorrow response: So if you've missed washing the dog today at 9:56, why should that task be automatically rescheduled for tomorrow *at the exact same time*. If missing the appointed time and date doesn't prevent you from doing that task, then perhaps you could make it a TODO item that shows up on the global todo list instead. If you actually did the task, but didn't get around to changing your headline, then it's there for you to deal with inappropriately. Oh, and if you have a normal date+timestamp, then you find the headline and hit S- to move the day forward by one, so the manual rescheduling isn't hard either. So if you glance at yesterday's agenda, and see something in the wrong place, it's easy to move forward. This works in the agenda, in the org-mode buffer, and you only need to get point somewhere inside or next to the timestamp (I use C-u C-u alot, which isn't very precise, so I appreciate that I don't have to get the point to a specific character) I hope you like key-board shortcuts (or you're going to go crazy with emacs, much less org-mode!) Respectfully yours, Ben On 2008-04-10 Thu, at 16:35, emacs-orgmode-request@gnu.org wrote: > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:09:21 -0700 > From: Jose Robins > Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Agenda view for logging? > To: "Joel J. Adamson" > Cc: org-mode > Message-ID: <47FE2DA1.3060109@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Joel J. Adamson wrote: >> Carsten Dominik writes: >> >> >>> Hi Jose, Manish >>> >>> I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry >>> that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda. >>> >> >> I think I missed part of this conversation. If I put >> >> ** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 > >> >> in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda >> time-grid. Is this not the intended behavior? >> >> Joel >> >> > Yes, that is intended behavior and it works fine. The question was > whether a time range without a time-stamp would work as well. > something > like... > > ** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog > - would put this task in "today's" agenda view. > > I see Carsten's point about not wanting to recognize any arbitrary > text > string which looks like a time to be considered a > "time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string > which > looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for today which > appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. The beauty is that > (a) you avoid having to type in extra keystrokes to schedule it, (b) > no > need to clutter with an additional date and (c) if it doesn't get done > or something, when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up there as > well and it doesn't get lost. > > Of course, I may be asking for things that may have other negative > implications, since after all, I'm still a rookie with org mode (still > wet behind the ears) and maybe there are better approaches to > this. :-) > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.gnu.org/pipermail/emacs-orgmode/attachments/20080410/156bb882/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > > End of Emacs-orgmode Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 > ********************************************* From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: jadamson@partners.org (Joel J. Adamson) Subject: Re: Agenda view for logging? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:46:31 -0400 Message-ID: <87iqypmzdk.fsf@W0053328.mgh.harvard.edu> References: <47FBC7F8.1050808@yahoo.com> <47FCF63E.9070805@yahoo.com> <47FD1F8B.2000708@yahoo.com> <9B2980C0-6C99-48D4-A1D2-5E33EA0D487E@science.uva.nl> <87tzi9olt9.fsf@W0053328.mgh.harvard.edu> <47FE2DA1.3060109@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjzv6-0007jx-0k for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:46:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjzv1-0007jl-Gd for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:46:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjzv1-0007ji-CR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:46:35 -0400 Received: from phsmgmx9.partners.org ([155.52.251.100]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jjzv1-0001YU-0L for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:46:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Richard G. 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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:09:41 -0700 Message-ID: <47FF7F35.3050707@yahoo.com> References: <40CEEB8B-2F3F-41E4-885C-58625F7FC5EB@alexanderonline.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0557821435==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JkKss-0003VL-IA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:09:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JkKsr-0003V2-OK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:09:46 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JkKsr-0003Uy-Gl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:09:45 -0400 Received: from n13b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.207.222]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JkKsq-0005dH-UI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:09:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <40CEEB8B-2F3F-41E4-885C-58625F7FC5EB@alexanderonline.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: bva@alexanderonline.org Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0557821435== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060506070206030706070904" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060506070206030706070904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ben, Thanks for your detailed response. Your arguments make perfect sense. Let me try to get into the habit of "scheduling" and putting "deadlines". It's all a question of learning new habits and sticking to it. Regards, Jose bva@alexanderonline.org wrote: > Hi Jose, > > I'm also still very much a rookie, in GTD and in org-mode. But I'd > argue against added one more way to add something to the agenda time > grid. Things show up in the time grid if > 1) you use C-c C-s (adds SCHEDULED: property to headline) > 2) you use C-c C-d (adds DEADLINE: property to headline) > 3) you use C-u C-c . (inserts timestamp at point; headline will show > up in agenda) > > As a novice, I've come to the belief that these multiple ways of > 'scheduling' (I mean only that a line of text is added to the agenda) > have grown organically from org-mode's past, by not dropping an older, > simpler way, but adding a new mechanism for a specific type of > time-management problem. Each one has its own small differences in how > it interacts with other features of org-mode to support the specific > issue it addresses (deadlines show up in red, e.g.) > > I offer the following thoughts quite humbly, knowing that I'm likely > among the least effective time-manager and org-mode user on this list. > > > In response to your concerns > a) no need to type extra characters > response: perhaps you could try the commands listed above. You only > need to type the time-range, and org-mode fills in the rest > > b) no need to clutter up with the date > response: SCHEDULED and DEADLINE properties can be folded under the > headline (in fact, they can be put into the PROPERTY drawer, if you'd > really like to hide them. And there's no extra date verbage in the > time grid (and I think there is a customization for removing the word > 'Scheduled' if you don't like it, but I haven't decided to dislike it > *that* much. It's the default and I trust it's there for a good reason) > > c) if I miss it today, it'll show up tomorrow > response: So if you've missed washing the dog today at 9:56, why > should that task be automatically rescheduled for tomorrow *at the > exact same time*. If missing the appointed time and date doesn't > prevent you from doing that task, then perhaps you could make it a > TODO item that shows up on the global todo list instead. If you > actually did the task, but didn't get around to changing your > headline, then it's there for you to deal with inappropriately. > > Oh, and if you have a normal date+timestamp, then you find the > headline and hit S- to move the day forward by one, so the > manual rescheduling isn't hard either. So if you glance at > yesterday's agenda, and see something in the wrong place, it's easy to > move forward. This works in the agenda, in the org-mode buffer, and > you only need to get point somewhere inside or next to the timestamp > (I use C-u C-u alot, which isn't very precise, so I appreciate > that I don't have to get the point to a specific character) > > I hope you like key-board shortcuts (or you're going to go crazy with > emacs, much less org-mode!) > > Respectfully yours, > > Ben > > On 2008-04-10 Thu, at 16:35, emacs-orgmode-request@gnu.org wrote: >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:09:21 -0700 >> From: Jose Robins >> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Agenda view for logging? >> To: "Joel J. Adamson" >> Cc: org-mode >> Message-ID: <47FE2DA1.3060109@yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> Joel J. Adamson wrote: >>> Carsten Dominik writes: >>> >>> >>>> Hi Jose, Manish >>>> >>>> I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry >>>> that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda. >>>> >>> >>> I think I missed part of this conversation. If I put >>> >>> ** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 > >>> >>> in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda >>> time-grid. Is this not the intended behavior? >>> >>> Joel >>> >>> >> Yes, that is intended behavior and it works fine. The question was >> whether a time range without a time-stamp would work as well. something >> like... >> >> ** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog >> - would put this task in "today's" agenda view. >> >> I see Carsten's point about not wanting to recognize any arbitrary text >> string which looks like a time to be considered a >> "time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string which >> looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for today which >> appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. The beauty is that >> (a) you avoid having to type in extra keystrokes to schedule it, (b) no >> need to clutter with an additional date and (c) if it doesn't get done >> or something, when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up there as >> well and it doesn't get lost. >> >> Of course, I may be asking for things that may have other negative >> implications, since after all, I'm still a rookie with org mode (still >> wet behind the ears) and maybe there are better approaches to this. :-) >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://lists.gnu.org/pipermail/emacs-orgmode/attachments/20080410/156bb882/attachment.html >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> >> End of Emacs-orgmode Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 >> ********************************************* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > --------------060506070206030706070904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ben,
Thanks for your detailed response. Your arguments make perfect sense. Let me try to get into the habit of "scheduling" and putting "deadlines". It's all a question of learning new habits and sticking to it.

Regards,
Jose

bva@alexanderonline.org wrote:
Hi Jose,

I'm also still very much a rookie, in GTD and in org-mode. But I'd argue against added one more way to add something to the agenda time grid.  Things show up in the time grid if
1) you use C-c C-s (adds SCHEDULED: property to headline)
2) you use C-c C-d (adds DEADLINE: property to headline)
3) you use C-u C-c . (inserts timestamp at point; headline will show up in agenda)

As a novice, I've come to the belief that these multiple ways of 'scheduling' (I mean only that a line of text is added to the agenda) have grown organically from org-mode's past, by not dropping an older, simpler way, but adding a new mechanism for a specific type of time-management problem. Each one has its own small differences in how it interacts with other features of org-mode to support the specific issue it addresses (deadlines show up in red, e.g.)

I offer the following thoughts quite humbly, knowing that I'm likely among the least effective time-manager and org-mode user on this list.


In response to your concerns
a) no need to type extra characters
response: perhaps you could try the commands listed above. You only need to type the time-range, and org-mode fills in the rest

b) no need to clutter up with the date
response: SCHEDULED and DEADLINE properties can be folded under the headline (in fact, they can be put into the PROPERTY drawer, if you'd really like to hide them. And there's no extra date verbage in the time grid (and I think there is a customization for removing the word 'Scheduled' if you don't like it, but I haven't decided to dislike it *that* much.  It's the default and I trust it's there for a good reason)

c) if I miss it today, it'll show up tomorrow
response: So if you've missed washing the dog today at 9:56, why should that task be automatically rescheduled for tomorrow *at the exact same time*.  If missing the appointed time and date doesn't prevent you from doing that task, then perhaps you could make it a TODO item that shows up on the global todo list instead.  If you actually did the task, but didn't get around to changing your headline, then it's there for you to deal with inappropriately.

Oh, and if you have a normal date+timestamp, then you find the headline and hit S-<right> to move the day forward by one, so the manual rescheduling isn't hard either.  So if you glance at yesterday's agenda, and see something in the wrong place, it's easy to move forward.  This works in the agenda, in the org-mode buffer, and you only need to get point somewhere inside or next to the timestamp (I use C-u C-u <arrow> alot, which isn't very precise, so I appreciate that I don't have to get the point to a specific character)

I hope you like key-board shortcuts (or you're going to go crazy with emacs, much less org-mode!)

Respectfully yours,

Ben

On 2008-04-10 Thu, at 16:35, emacs-orgmode-request@gnu.org wrote:

Message: 6
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:09:21 -0700
From: Jose Robins <wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Agenda view for logging?
To: "Joel J. Adamson" <jadamson@partners.org>
Cc: org-mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <47FE2DA1.3060109@yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"



Joel J. Adamson wrote:
Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:


Hi Jose, Manish

I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry
that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda.


I think I missed part of this conversation.  If I put

** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 >

in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda
time-grid.  Is this not the intended behavior?

Joel


Yes, that is intended behavior and it works fine. The question was
whether a time range without a time-stamp would work as well. something
like...

** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog
- would put this task in "today's" agenda view.

I see Carsten's  point about not wanting to recognize any arbitrary text
string which looks like a time to be considered a
"time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string which
looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for today which
appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. The beauty is that
(a) you avoid having to type in extra keystrokes to schedule it, (b) no
need to clutter with an additional date and (c) if it doesn't get done
or something, when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up there as
well and it doesn't get lost.

Of course, I may be asking for things that may have other negative
implications, since after all, I'm still a rookie with org mode (still
wet behind the ears) and maybe there are better approaches to this.  :-)


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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:42:46 +0200 Message-ID: References: <40CEEB8B-2F3F-41E4-885C-58625F7FC5EB@alexanderonline.org> <47FF7F35.3050707@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1235598935==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JkRxR-0002hl-6C for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:42:57 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JkRxQ-0002hZ-GI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:42:56 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JkRxQ-0002hW-8u for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:42:56 -0400 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.189]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JkRxP-0004II-As for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:42:56 -0400 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 26so826285fkx.10 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:42:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <47FF7F35.3050707@yahoo.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Jose Robins Cc: bva@alexanderonline.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============1235598935== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--134183391 --Apple-Mail-5--134183391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 11, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Jose Robins wrote: > Hi Ben, > Thanks for your detailed response. Your arguments make perfect > sense. Let me try to get into the habit of "scheduling" and putting > "deadlines". It's all a question of learning new habits and sticking > to it. Actually, for simple agenda items, you don't need to schedule or put a deadline at all. But you must, in addition to a time, also put a date. Any of these will do: * Staff meeting <2008-04-12 Sat 10:00-12:30> * Staff meeting <2008-04-12 Sat 10:00-12:30> * Staff meeting 10:00-12:30 <2008-04-12 Sat> * Staff meeting 10:00-12:30 <2008-04-12 Sat> > > > Regards, > Jose > > bva@alexanderonline.org wrote: >> >> Hi Jose, >> >> I'm also still very much a rookie, in GTD and in org-mode. But I'd >> argue against added one more way to add something to the agenda >> time grid. Things show up in the time grid if >> 1) you use C-c C-s (adds SCHEDULED: property to headline) >> 2) you use C-c C-d (adds DEADLINE: property to headline) >> 3) you use C-u C-c . (inserts timestamp at point; headline will >> show up in agenda) >> >> As a novice, I've come to the belief that these multiple ways of >> 'scheduling' (I mean only that a line of text is added to the >> agenda) have grown organically from org-mode's past, by not >> dropping an older, simpler way, but adding a new mechanism for a >> specific type of time-management problem. Each one has its own >> small differences in how it interacts with other features of org- >> mode to support the specific issue it addresses (deadlines show up >> in red, e.g.) >> >> I offer the following thoughts quite humbly, knowing that I'm >> likely among the least effective time-manager and org-mode user on >> this list. >> >> >> In response to your concerns >> a) no need to type extra characters >> response: perhaps you could try the commands listed above. You only >> need to type the time-range, and org-mode fills in the rest >> >> b) no need to clutter up with the date >> response: SCHEDULED and DEADLINE properties can be folded under the >> headline (in fact, they can be put into the PROPERTY drawer, if >> you'd really like to hide them. And there's no extra date verbage >> in the time grid (and I think there is a customization for removing >> the word 'Scheduled' if you don't like it, but I haven't decided to >> dislike it *that* much. It's the default and I trust it's there >> for a good reason) >> >> c) if I miss it today, it'll show up tomorrow >> response: So if you've missed washing the dog today at 9:56, why >> should that task be automatically rescheduled for tomorrow *at the >> exact same time*. If missing the appointed time and date doesn't >> prevent you from doing that task, then perhaps you could make it a >> TODO item that shows up on the global todo list instead. If you >> actually did the task, but didn't get around to changing your >> headline, then it's there for you to deal with inappropriately. >> >> Oh, and if you have a normal date+timestamp, then you find the >> headline and hit S- to move the day forward by one, so the >> manual rescheduling isn't hard either. So if you glance at >> yesterday's agenda, and see something in the wrong place, it's easy >> to move forward. This works in the agenda, in the org-mode buffer, >> and you only need to get point somewhere inside or next to the >> timestamp (I use C-u C-u alot, which isn't very precise, so >> I appreciate that I don't have to get the point to a specific >> character) >> >> I hope you like key-board shortcuts (or you're going to go crazy >> with emacs, much less org-mode!) >> >> Respectfully yours, >> >> Ben >> >> On 2008-04-10 Thu, at 16:35, emacs-orgmode-request@gnu.org wrote: >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:09:21 -0700 >>> From: Jose Robins >>> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Agenda view for logging? >>> To: "Joel J. Adamson" >>> Cc: org-mode >>> Message-ID: <47FE2DA1.3060109@yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> >>> >>> Joel J. Adamson wrote: >>>> Carsten Dominik writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Jose, Manish >>>>> >>>>> I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry >>>>> that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the >>>>> agenda. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I think I missed part of this conversation. If I put >>>> >>>> ** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 > >>>> >>>> in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda >>>> time-grid. Is this not the intended behavior? >>>> >>>> Joel >>>> >>>> >>> Yes, that is intended behavior and it works fine. The question was >>> whether a time range without a time-stamp would work as well. >>> something >>> like... >>> >>> ** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog >>> - would put this task in "today's" agenda view. >>> >>> I see Carsten's point about not wanting to recognize any >>> arbitrary text >>> string which looks like a time to be considered a >>> "time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string >>> which >>> looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for today >>> which >>> appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. The beauty is >>> that >>> (a) you avoid having to type in extra keystrokes to schedule it, >>> (b) no >>> need to clutter with an additional date and (c) if it doesn't get >>> done >>> or something, when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up >>> there as >>> well and it doesn't get lost. >>> >>> Of course, I may be asking for things that may have other negative >>> implications, since after all, I'm still a rookie with org mode >>> (still >>> wet behind the ears) and maybe there are better approaches to >>> this. :-) >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: http://lists.gnu.org/pipermail/emacs-orgmode/attachments/20080410/156bb882/attachment.html >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>> >>> >>> End of Emacs-orgmode Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 >>> ********************************************* >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --Apple-Mail-5--134183391 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Apr 11, 2008, = at 5:09 PM, Jose Robins wrote:
Hi Ben,
Thanks for your detailed response. = Your arguments make perfect sense. Let me try to get into the habit of = "scheduling" and putting "deadlines". It's all a question of learning = new habits and sticking to = it.

Actually, for = simple agenda items, you don't need to schedule or put a deadline at = all.  But you must, in addition to a time, also put a = date.

Any of these will = do:

* Staff meeting <2008-04-12 Sat = 10:00-12:30>

* Staff = meeting
  <2008-04-12 Sat = 10:00-12:30>


* Staff meeting = 10:00-12:30 <2008-04-12 Sat>

* Staff meeting = 10:00-12:30 
  <2008-04-12 = Sat>




Regards,
Jose

bva@alexanderonline.org = wrote:
Hi Jose,

I'm also still very much a rookie, in = GTD and in org-mode. But I'd argue against added one more way to add = something to the agenda time grid.  Things show up in the time grid = if
1) you use C-c C-s (adds SCHEDULED: property to headline)
= 2) you use C-c C-d (adds DEADLINE: property to headline)
3) you = use C-u C-c . (inserts timestamp at point; headline will show up in = agenda)

As a novice, I've come to the belief that these = multiple ways of 'scheduling' (I mean only that a line of text is added = to the agenda) have grown organically from org-mode's past, by not = dropping an older, simpler way, but adding a new mechanism for a = specific type of time-management problem. Each one has its own small = differences in how it interacts with other features of org-mode to = support the specific issue it addresses (deadlines show up in red, e.g.) =

I offer the following thoughts quite humbly, knowing that = I'm likely among the least effective time-manager and org-mode user on = this list.


In response to your concerns
a) no = need to type extra characters
response: perhaps you could try the = commands listed above. You only need to type the time-range, and = org-mode fills in the rest

b) no need to clutter up with the = date
response: SCHEDULED and DEADLINE properties can be folded = under the headline (in fact, they can be put into the PROPERTY drawer, = if you'd really like to hide them. And there's no extra date verbage in = the time grid (and I think there is a customization for removing the = word 'Scheduled' if you don't like it, but I haven't decided to dislike = it *that* much.  It's the default and I trust it's there for a good = reason)

c) if I miss it today, it'll show up tomorrow
= response: So if you've missed washing the dog today at 9:56, why should = that task be automatically rescheduled for tomorrow *at the exact same = time*.  If missing the appointed time and date doesn't prevent you = from doing that task, then perhaps you could make it a TODO item that = shows up on the global todo list instead.  If you actually did the = task, but didn't get around to changing your headline, then it's there = for you to deal with inappropriately.

Oh, and if you have a = normal date+timestamp, then you find the headline and hit S-<right> = to move the day forward by one, so the manual rescheduling isn't hard = either.  So if you glance at yesterday's agenda, and see something = in the wrong place, it's easy to move forward.  This works in the = agenda, in the org-mode buffer, and you only need to get point somewhere = inside or next to the timestamp (I use C-u C-u <arrow> alot, which = isn't very precise, so I appreciate that I don't have to get the point = to a specific character)

I hope you like key-board shortcuts = (or you're going to go crazy with emacs, much less org-mode!)
=
Respectfully yours,

Ben

On 2008-04-10 Thu, = at 16:35, emacs-orgmode-request@gnu.or= g wrote:

Message: 6
= Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:09:21 -0700
From: Jose Robins <wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com>=
Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Agenda view for logging?
To: = "Joel J. Adamson" <jadamson@partners.org> =
Cc: org-mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org> =
Message-ID: <47FE2DA1.3060109@yahoo.com>=
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Joel J. Adamson wrote:
Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> = writes:


Hi = Jose, Manish

I don't really think that it would = be reasonable to make any entry
that contains a string that = looks like a time show up in the agenda.

=

I think I missed part of this = conversation.  If I put

** Wash the dog = <2008-04-10 09:56 >

in one of my = org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda
= time-grid.  Is this not the intended behavior?

= Joel


Yes, that is = intended behavior and it works fine. The question was
whether a = time range without a time-stamp would work as well. something
= like...

** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog
- = would put this task in "today's" agenda view.

I see = Carsten's  point about not wanting to recognize any arbitrary text =
string which looks like a time to be considered a
= "time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string which =
looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for = today which
appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. = The beauty is that
(a) you avoid having to type in extra = keystrokes to schedule it, (b) no
need to clutter with an = additional date and (c) if it doesn't get done
or something, = when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up there as
well = and it doesn't get lost.

Of course, I may be asking for = things that may have other negative
implications, since after = all, I'm still a rookie with org mode (still
wet behind the = ears) and maybe there are better approaches to this.  :-)
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