From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Stephan Schmitt Subject: Re: Re: Poll: Who is using these commands Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 16:42:40 +0200 Message-ID: <4BE6C9E0.1080105@cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <20100508202159.GA32505@taupan.ath.cx> <4BE5DF9C.909@gmail.com> <245881E6-B69D-4E6F-A1B1-C4EFA39AF7BC@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1OB7id-0003mB-NY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 May 2010 10:42:59 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37400 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OB7ib-0003lm-8E for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 May 2010 10:42:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OB7iZ-0006zW-II for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 May 2010 10:42:56 -0400 Received: from mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr ([192.134.164.82]:65307) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OB7iZ-0006zI-7y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 May 2010 10:42:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Cc: Leo On 05/09/2010 04:26 PM, Also sprach Leo: > On 2010-05-09 12:43 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: >> what do you think about C-M-f, C-M-b, C-M-n, C-M-p as alternative >> bindings? These seem to make *a lot* of sense, because, as many here >> have pointed out, they are so much better repeatable (Keep C-M- down, >> press the character.) > > It is terrible idea to override these parenthesis movement bindings. > They are universal in all editing modes that if overridden people who > also use other emacs packages will be surprised. For example to move > from a open parenthesis to a closing parenthesis. On the other hand, I often press the C-M-[fbnp] combinations in org mode with the expectation to navigate through the logical structure like I'm used from lisp mode. Then I'm surprised to find the point somewhere in a hidden subtree with the cursor at the ellipsis which represent it. In other words, in a more abstract view as structure navigating keys the proposed binding is more intuive then the parenthesis oriented motion. But perhaps this holds only for lisp hackers... Greetings, Stephan > > However, it makes sense to bind C-M-a and C-M-e to move the the > beginning/end of a subtree. > > I don't use these org movement bindings much because isearch does the > job perfectly and it can be used everywhere. > > Leo >