From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Beginners guide to Org customization Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:40:07 +0100 Message-ID: <58D3255C-431E-4F85-B6C3-850213F16063@uva.nl> References: <33DFD2BB-A6FC-43AE-9DE0-5E5DE0802F4A@uva.nl> <87fxitotfy.fsf@gollum.intra.norang.ca> <63BCC59E-17BD-4D7C-9F7C-6C284C8ABAEA@uva.nl> <87hc38lq5e.fsf@gollum.intra.norang.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LVBxK-0004Bq-0T for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:40:18 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LVBxI-0004BB-0d for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:40:17 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51440 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LVBxH-0004B4-S2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:40:15 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f20.google.com ([209.85.219.20]:34609) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LVBxG-0007bR-HY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:40:15 -0500 Received: by ewy13 with SMTP id 13so932425ewy.18 for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:40:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87hc38lq5e.fsf@gollum.intra.norang.ca> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bernt Hansen Cc: emacs-orgmode Mailinglist On Feb 5, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote: > Carsten, > > That looks really good! (except for the FIXME at the bottom ;) ) > > I really like this version :) > > I haven't verified that the setup steps you described actually work. > Somebody(tm) should probably do that with a minimal emacs setup. > > I also haven't verified all the links referenced in the document go to > appropriate places. > > Hmmm my setup doesn't have (org-remember-insinuate) (well it does > now!) -- I wonder what breaks if that is missing. org-remember-insinuate is simply a shortcut for the old setup where you had to add functions to hooks yourself. The definition of it is: (defun org-remember-insinuate () "Setup remember.el for use with Org-mode." (org-require-remember) (setq remember-annotation-functions '(org-remember-annotation)) (setq remember-handler-functions '(org-remember-handler)) (add-hook 'remember-mode-hook 'org-remember-apply-template)) It actually does one more thing: If remember.el is not found, it defines a miniature, just functional version of it. - Carsten > > > -Bernt > > Carsten Dominik writes: > >> I have my home^h^h^h^h trainwork up as a new >> attempt for the "Beginners Guide". >> A lot more appropriate now, I think. Bernt? >> >> - Carsten >> >> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-customization-guide.php >> >> >> On Feb 5, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote: >> >>> Carsten Dominik writes: >>> >>>> I have made a structured list of 43 (which one can >>>> we remove, please????) Variables that came in as frequently >>>> customized variables in the customization survey. It is not >>>> exactly the top 43, I have used some additional judgement. >>> >>> I think a lot of these variables are things you play with _after_ >>> using >>> org-mode for awhile. Maybe the following variables should be >>> introduced >>> later? >>> >>> - org-archive-location >>> >>> the default works, and you don't archive anytime soon after >>> starting >>> to use org-mode. >>> >>> - org-startup-folded >>> >>> start with #STARTUP first? >>> >>> - org-odd-levels-only >>> >>> Talk about the conversion functions too (org-convert-to-odd-levels >>> and org-convert-to-oddeven-levels.) I switched my files back and >>> forth a few times but ended up with oddeven levels due to the >>> depth >>> of some of my tasks. >>> >>> - org-special-ctrl-a/e >>> - org-special-ctrl-k >>> >>> I should maybe try these one day :) >>> >>> I've used org-mode for a few years now and I don't currently use >>> these >>> variables. They're great to have but not essential to getting >>> started. >>> >>> The default values for the variables work in most cases. I think >>> the >>> ones that should be listed first are the ones you really have to >>> customize to get org-mode to work for you. Beginners will not want >>> nor >>> need this amount of detail to be productive with org-mode. Having >>> too >>> many variables to set up or play with up front may just scare people >>> away. >>> >>> Maybe we just need to stress that customizations are optional and >>> you >>> can completely ignore entire sections that don't apply to you >>> (clocking, >>> exporting, etc.) until you feel you need these additional features. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Bernt