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From: Greg Minshall <minshall@umich.edu>
To: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Changed list indentation behavior: how to revert?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 09:26:30 +0300
Message-ID: <734220.1605507990@apollo2.minshall.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 15 Nov 2020 13:44:02 +0100." <871rgu7pt9.fsf@gmail.com>

i wanted first to thank everyone for their participation in this
discussion.  i want to not be annoying.  and, yes, this is a long
thread, and for me, at least, it's hard to keep track of what was said.

(like many, i assumed this was some bug, triggered by my configuration
TIMES emacs release TIMES org release, and that it would eventually
clear up or i'd eventually track down whatever in my .emacs that was
causing it.)

Kévin Le Gouguec said

> My understanding of electric-indent-mode is that it tries to make
> "RET" equivalent to "insert newline; indent according to major mode
> rules".

and i wonder if this might be a big part of the "problem": exactly what
*are* the major mode rules when org-mode is the major mode?  my sense is
that for some of us, column 1 (modulo lists) rules; for others, column
(n*asterisks+1) is the rule.

both seem reasonable choices.  afaict, either, if adopted as "the" major
mode rule for org-mode, could be said to be playing to the tune of
emacs' electric indent.


then, more mundanely, i'll note that setting 'org-adapt-indentation' to
nil doesn't seem to take at least me back to (my column-1 version of)
nirvana.  if i type (ignore square brackets):
----
[- this<RET>is<RET>a<RET>test]
----

i end up with:
----
- this
  is
  a
  test
----

rather than
----
- this
is
a
test
----
which i think was the previous behavior.  (in the previous, iirc, M-q
and/or word-wrapping would wrap w.r.t. the indentation of the current
(sub-)list item.)

cheers, Greg

ps -- Gustavo, again, thanks.

> You (plural) could probably also get some juice from looking into, and
> incorporating to muscle memory, `M-RET', `C-RET' and `C-j'.

i tried that with the BSD users.  there, it didn't sell.  (almost) forty
years, and a couple of thousand users, later, maybe it will take!  (but,
obviously, i sort of hope not, now that i'm vaguely on the other side of
the table. :) best.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-16  6:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-13 17:30 Karl Voit
2020-11-13 21:10 ` Gustavo Barros
2020-11-13 21:38   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-14  3:02     ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-13 21:47   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-13 22:13     ` Gustavo Barros
2020-11-13 22:21       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-14 17:28         ` Diego Zamboni
2020-11-14 19:10           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-15 12:44             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-11-15 13:26               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-15 21:59                 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-11-15 22:15                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-16  7:15                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-16  6:26               ` Greg Minshall [this message]
2020-11-14 10:45   ` Diego Zamboni
2020-11-13 21:31 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-14 22:43 ` David Rogers
2020-11-15  5:38   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-15  7:47     ` David Rogers
2020-11-15  8:54       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-15 10:37       ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-15 11:42         ` Tim Cross
2020-11-15 11:48         ` Gustavo Barros
2020-11-15 11:58           ` Detlef Steuer
2020-11-15 12:09           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-15 14:50             ` Gustavo Barros
2020-11-15 15:11               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-15 10:44       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-15 11:22         ` Detlef Steuer
2020-11-15 14:03           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-11-16  5:24             ` Kyle Meyer
2020-11-16  6:41               ` Tim Cross
2020-11-16  7:15                 ` Tim Cross
2020-11-16 11:21                   ` Gustavo Barros
2020-11-16 23:24                     ` T.F. Torrey
2020-11-17  1:21                       ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-17  7:01                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-17  7:48                       ` Michal Politowski
2020-11-19  4:17                     ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-11-16  8:06                 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-11-16 12:10                 ` Bill Burdick
2020-11-16  6:54               ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-16  7:12                 ` Tim Cross
2020-11-17  4:03                   ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-17  5:25                     ` Tim Cross
2020-11-17 13:15                       ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-16  7:01               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-16  7:22                 ` Tim Cross
2020-11-16 16:04                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-16 16:26                     ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-16 18:12                       ` gyro funch
2020-11-16 18:48                         ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-16 19:41                           ` Bill Burdick
2020-11-16 19:56                             ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-16 21:50                             ` Tim Cross
2020-11-16 23:01                               ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-16 21:44                           ` Tim Cross
2020-11-16 18:20                       ` gyro funch
2020-11-16 20:56                       ` Tim Cross
2020-11-16 21:35                         ` Bill Burdick
2020-11-16 22:44                         ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-16 23:55                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-17  9:05                           ` Stefan Nobis
2020-11-17  9:15                             ` Loris Bennett
2020-11-17  9:32                             ` Diego Zamboni
2020-11-17 14:29                             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-17 16:25                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-11-16 23:39                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-16 21:35                     ` Tim Cross
2020-11-17  0:11                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-17  8:45                         ` Detlef Steuer
2020-11-17  9:41                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-17 15:33                     ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-16 13:00                 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-11-16 16:10                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide

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