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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: denis.maier.lists@mailbox.org Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" , Bruce D'Arcus Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: -1.71 Authentication-Results: aspmx2.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=B633zvjV; dkim=fail (rsa verify failed) header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=DgvqDH5b; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=mailbox.org; spf=pass (aspmx2.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [-1.71 / 13.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[denis.maier.lists@mailbox.org]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.57734783546781]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.51.188.0/24:c]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.28), country: US(-0.01), ip: 209.51.188.17(-0.58)]; DKIM_MIXED(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_REJECT(0.00)[mailbox.org:s=mail20150812]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[mailbox.org:+,mailbox.org:-]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW_WITH_FAILURES(-0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[mailbox.org,none]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:209.51.188.0/24, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[denis.maier.lists@mailbox.org,emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[mailbox.org:s=mail20150812]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gnu.org,gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: rCbgFYnpVu2Y > Nicolas Goaziou hat am 13. April 2020 00:19 gesc= hrieben: >=20 > =20 > Hello, >=20 > denis.maier.lists@mailbox.org writes: >=20 > > Just one question concerning typed citations. citeX is good and > > concise, but why limit this to only one character? >=20 > Because=E2=80=A6 it is good and concise? ;) >=20 > > What about allowing something more verbose? Perhaps > > "cite-intext:" or "cite:intext:"? >=20 > Note the latter introduces an ambiguity: [cite:see: @doe was right!]. > Fixing it requires two colons in default cite prefix: [cite::@doe]. > I don't think we want this. >=20 > The former doesn't have this bias. Ok, ambiguity is not good. So we need something else. (As in the other mess= age: cite/note or cite-intext?) >=20 > > The simple syntax is great for most cases, but if you want to support > > some of those not so common biblatex commands, this might be better. >=20 > Alphanumeric suffix provides 62 combinations, which should hopefully be > enough for any citation back-end out there (I'm looking at you > biblatex). It's not terribly readable, tho, as you point out. >=20 > > What do you think? >=20 > This is a conciseness versus readability problem, not a technical one, > as long as we do not allow too much, from a parser point of view. >=20 > I have no strong opinion on the topic. It would be more valuable to hear > from actual citations users. What would they prefer? What about allowing both, just like most command line tools have short and = long options (e.g., -o and --open)? Best, Denis