From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id CK//BxEJ4l+tPgAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 14:56:17 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id oCO7AxEJ4l9/SQAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 14:56:17 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B14D4940105 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 14:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:60180 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krj5B-0004w7-TA for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 09:56:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55944) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krj4p-0004uq-Su for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 09:55:51 -0500 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:36406) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krj4o-0000Ms-FE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 09:55:51 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1krj4l-0004xe-DJ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 15:55:47 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: Bug: org-element does not recognize table.el tables [9.4 (release_9.4-53-g23f941 @ /home/nick/elisp/org-mode/lisp/)] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 09:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: <875z4tubyr.fsf@alphaville.usersys.redhat.com> References: <87k0tgt9v3.fsf@pierrot.dokosmarshall.org> <87czz4ielc.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:9osKci662OTO3Gc5Kwui3RdiEyk= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 15 X-Spam_score: 1.5 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam_report: (1.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FUZZY_DR_OZ=1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.72 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B14D4940105 X-Spam-Score: -1.72 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 70Iv8JYOWSoY Bastien writes: > Hi Nick, > > Nick Dokos writes: > >> Consider an Org mode file with a table.el table (which I made by >> first constructing an Org mode table and then usind `C-c ~' to >> convert it): > > Would it be so bad if org-mode decides to stop supporting table.el tables? > > I don't see the benefit of supporting both Org tables and tables.el tables, > and it calls for confusion. > > What do you and everyone else think? I don't use table.el tables. The only reason I submitted the bug report was because I was trying to investigate this Emacs SE question: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/62335/org-mode-export-table-to-latex-with-word-wrap In the process, I discovered that the LaTeX file was broken and traced it back to org-element. Note that the manual says: "Org mode recognizes such tables and exports them properly." See (info "(org) Cooperation") So there are three roads ahead as I see it: - Fix the bug in org-element and make sure that table.el tables are exported properly. - Do not fix the bug. Instead, tear out table.el support from Org mode code and fix the manual to say so. - Do not fix the bug (and do nothing else). I presume the third choice is distasteful to everybody, but that's going to be the default choice unless somebody volunteers to do either of the other two. Either of the first two choices requires work. From my POV, it does not matter which of the two is done: if somebody volunteers to do either, I am not going to object (and I suspect, almost nobody else will either: if the second course is chosen, there may be some table.el users who would object to losing it, but if so, they should volunteer to fix the bug). My 0.02 kopek. -- Nick "There are only two hard problems in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors." -Martin Fowler