From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id uCAzKxbYul+KeAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 21:28:54 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id aEn6JhbYul/+bQAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 21:28:54 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F41D9401BC for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 21:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:54326 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kgwui-0000BQ-Jr for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 16:28:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54742) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kgwu8-0000B9-H8 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 16:28:16 -0500 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:39054) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kgwu4-0001Fy-KD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 16:28:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044EEE6A52; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 22:28:06 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RmMcqMoiPqa3; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 22:28:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (178235147162.dynamic-3-poz-k-0-1-0.vectranet.pl [178.235.147.162]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E4055E6235; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 22:28:01 +0100 (CET) References: <87h7pksalo.fsf@leo-B85-HD3.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <42BB991F-A000-4BB0-8040-27C4810F7C40@gronberg.org> User-agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 From: Marcin Borkowski To: Jean Louis Subject: Re: Clock tables and two ways to categorize tasks In-reply-to: Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 22:28:01 +0100 Message-ID: <875z5xgjz2.fsf@mbork.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=195.110.48.8; envelope-from=mbork@mbork.pl; helo=mail.mojserwer.eu X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Org-Mode Emacs , Kristian =?utf-8?Q?Gr=C3=B6nberg?= Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.01 X-TUID: xBLb8jhVPYEK On 2020-11-22, at 19:16, Jean Louis wrote: > * Kristian Gr=C3=B6nberg [2020-11-22 08:56]: >> >> > On 20 Nov 2020, at 10:23, Leo Okawa Ericson wrote: >> > >> > =EF=BB=BF >> > Some time ago I hacked together a bunch of elisp to create a clock >> > table > > I am sorry what is clock table? > > [snip] Well, and how is all that helpful at all? Of course, in an ideal world we'd be paid for the results, not for the time. But: 1. Welcome to the reality, this is not an ideal world. I am being paid for my time. (And sometimes we really do not have a better option. How would you calculate a teacher's wage?) 2. Clocking in and out is the question of habit. It does not really take up a significant portion of my attention, especially with Ivy and org-mru. I've been doing it for years, and while I do sometimes forget about it, an occasional error does not make the whole data useless. 3. Knowing where my time goes is the first step in optimizing it. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl