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[180.150.91.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 7sm15830899pfh.142.2020.12.14.07.54.28 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:54:29 -0800 (PST) References: <20201116104521.GP29052@maokai> <87im94ga0a.fsf@gnu.org> User-agent: mu4e 1.4.13; emacs 27.1 From: TEC To: Bastien Subject: Re: TEC: update the new website ML page? Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 23:37:09 +0800 In-reply-to: <87im94ga0a.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <878sa0pemm.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::434; envelope-from=tecosaur@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x434.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.21 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=SnLhke2F; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: EBF4A940111 X-Spam-Score: -0.21 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: ZRQ8BV3WnubT Bastien writes: > FWIW, I just slightly updated this page with this paragraph: > > If you are not a subscriber to the list, you can still send an email > to emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, we will add you to the whitelist of people > who can reach the list. =F0=9F=91=8D >> As a second request, can we get a link to Worg on the top level bar? > > I'd rather let Timothy decide on this, as he has the whole picture. Thanks Bastien :) Hi Russel, while I appreciate the significance of Worg, I currently don't feel that adding it to the header improves the site. There are two concerns I have on this. 1. I'm very wary of "header creep", see https://0x0.st/iFS7.png for a mock up of an "extreme" example. IMO the current state is "bulging", with 4-6 items as the ideal. Adding Worg would take us to 8. In addition to the increased number of visual elements, it also lessens the individual significance of the per-existing items. If a "features" item has 3 other items, it is much more emphasised than when it has 7 other items. This is just a long winded way of me expressing the view that adding to the header affects the perception of the rest of the header, and thus the overall effect may be negative, as I suspect it would be in this case. 2. Worg is usually linked to in very specific instances, e.g. "(scientific) papers [about Org]", "The FAQ", "Using Org as a spreadsheet". It is also often linked, 11 times on the index page for instance. This makes me suspect that there is not sufficient benefit in adding it to the header. I could well be missing something obvious, but those are my current thoughts. -- Timothy