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From: Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>
To: Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com>
Cc: David Rogers <davidandrewrogers@gmail.com>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the standardization of Org
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2020 13:00:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a6vy4mui.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eelaeixa.fsf@gmail.com> (Ken Mankoff's message of "Tue, 03 Nov 2020 04:14:41 -0800")

On Tuesday,  3 Nov 2020 at 04:14, Ken Mankoff wrote:
> Again: GitHub. Orgzly. The conversation should move from "it can't be
> done" or "it isn't helpful" (why so much negativity on this thread?)
> to

Hi Ken,

I'm sorry if I came across as being negative.  I am not.  I just think
that there is a clear difference between what some people think org mode
is and what others think.  I think it's primarily Emacs plus some
specific markup, including org babel and some understanding of LaTeX
constructs, whereas others maybe think it's markup that happens to be
interpreted by Emacs.  The two are very different animals.

The benefits of org mode for me are that it is Emacs.  I could continue
to work (maybe not quite as efficiently) without org mode but I would
really suffer without Emacs.  I've been using Emacs since 1984 and org
mode since 2008.  And gnus for what feels like forever. ;-) So maybe I'm
old skool and fossilised in my views. :-(  Apologies if so.

I have no problem with a clear syntax definition for org mode documents
and Nikolas has gone a long ways in providing that.  Beyond that, I find
it difficult to see any further standardization that would provide any
real benefits *to me*.  If others see those benefits, excellent!  All
power to them and I hope there is success in greater use of org
documents outside Emacs which would possibly trickle back benefits into
org mode in Emacs.

-- 
: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4-61-ga88806.dirty


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-03 13:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-01  0:22 Thoughts on the standardization of Org Asa Zeren
2020-11-01  0:40 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-01  3:08   ` Asa Zeren
2020-11-01  4:23     ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-11-01  7:54     ` Tim Cross
2020-11-01  2:28 ` Tim Cross
2020-11-01  3:39   ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-11-02 12:39     ` Eric S Fraga
2020-11-02 14:22       ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-02 14:56         ` Eric S Fraga
2020-11-02 15:23           ` Russell Adams
2020-11-02 15:31             ` TEC
2020-11-02 15:48             ` Eric S Fraga
2020-11-02 16:27               ` Carsten Dominik
2020-11-02 22:05           ` Tim Cross
2020-11-03  3:29           ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-01  5:20 ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-01 10:25   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-01 10:28     ` TEC
2020-11-01 18:02       ` Jack Kamm
2020-11-01 16:03     ` Asa Zeren
2020-11-01 17:27       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-01 17:29         ` TEC
2020-11-01 18:43         ` Asa Zeren
2020-11-01  6:24 ` TEC
2020-11-01 16:13 ` Russell Adams
2020-11-01 19:46   ` Daniele Nicolodi
2020-11-01 23:10     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-02  8:37       ` Daniele Nicolodi
2020-11-02  9:02         ` TEC
2020-11-02 11:04           ` Daniele Nicolodi
2020-11-02 13:43             ` TEC
2020-11-07 21:20             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-09 14:04               ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-09 15:57                 ` Daniele Nicolodi
2020-11-09 15:59                 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-10 16:19                   ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-10 20:22                     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-10 23:08                     ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-11  0:00                       ` Tim Cross
2020-11-09 21:46                 ` Tim Cross
2020-11-09 22:45                   ` Emails are not safe - " Jean Louis
2020-11-10  4:13                   ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-10  4:49                     ` Tim Cross
2020-11-10  7:12                       ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-10 16:29                     ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-10 20:35                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-10 22:30                         ` Tim Cross
2020-11-11  5:03                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11  6:40                             ` Tim Cross
2020-11-27 16:49                             ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-27 17:16                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 17:10                         ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-11 17:34                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12  3:39                             ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-11  3:49                       ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-02  9:53         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-02  1:17 ` Ken Mankoff
2020-11-02  8:12   ` Russell Adams
2020-11-02  9:57     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-03  8:24 ` David Rogers
2020-11-03 12:14   ` Ken Mankoff
2020-11-03 12:27     ` Russell Adams
2020-11-03 13:00     ` Eric S Fraga [this message]
2020-11-03 13:31       ` Ken Mankoff
2020-11-03 15:03         ` Eric S Fraga
2020-11-03 20:27           ` TEC
2020-11-03 14:38     ` Devin Prater
2020-11-03 22:03     ` David Rogers
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-11-01 13:34 Gustav Wikström
2020-11-01 18:39 Asa Zeren
2020-11-03 22:30 Asa Zeren

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