From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nicolas Goaziou Subject: Re: Problem with org-entities-user Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:55:56 +0200 Message-ID: <87d31idn1v.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87k3vtgnhy.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjaeduh5.fsf@gmail.com> <7CC1FB98-B071-429C-A230-B91D461104FD@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50194) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TEMhN-0005QZ-95 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:00:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TEMh7-0005k6-UH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:00:19 -0400 Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:34464) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TEMh6-0005T4-LK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:00:09 -0400 Received: by wgbdt14 with SMTP id dt14so693990wgb.30 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:00:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7CC1FB98-B071-429C-A230-B91D461104FD@gmail.com> (Carsten Dominik's message of "Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:55:25 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: Org-mode , "Thomas S. Dye" Hello, Carsten Dominik writes: > These are all valid arguments. However, I did design > Org-mode to be LaTeX-near to make sure that it becomes > easy and fast to type as a notes environment. In my mind, a user > expecting \cite{...} to work in other backends is not necessarily > a wrong expectation, and if we introduce a syntax for doing citations > in HTML, why not using the LaTeX syntax for it? > > So actually, it seems I do not fully agree with your *consistency* > argument. While you are right that it is the logical and clean thing > if you view Org as a markup language created for export, it is not > necessarily the right solution for a convenience point of view. My point is not about removing anything related to LaTeX syntax. I'm fine with a \cite{...} (although I think [[cite:...]] may be cleaner) as long as it really is accepted by most major export back-ends. But I think accepting raw commands like \vspace, \hfill and al. is not necessary (as long as there's still a way to send them to the export back-end). We shouldn't trick users into thinking these commands will be obeyed in any situation. Moreover, I don't think that they belong to an easy and fast to type notes environment. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou