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From: Dan Davison <davison@stats.ox.ac.uk>
To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Poll: Who is using these commands
Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 15:00:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fx20hpe1.fsf@stats.ox.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3634.1273420760@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> (Nick Dokos's message of "Sun, 09 May 2010 11:59:20 -0400")

Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:

> Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2010-05-09 12:43 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote:
>> > what do you think about C-M-f, C-M-b, C-M-n, C-M-p as alternative
>> > bindings? These seem to make *a lot* of sense, because, as many here
>> > have pointed out, they are so much better repeatable (Keep C-M- down,
>> > press the character.)
>> 
>> It is terrible idea to override these parenthesis movement bindings.
>> They are universal in all editing modes that if overridden people who
>> also use other emacs packages will be surprised. For example to move
>> from a open parenthesis to a closing parenthesis.
>> 
>
> I disagree: they are not parenthesis movement bindings - they are
> structure-navigation bindings. For example, C-M-f is forward-sexp.
> In lisp, an sexp has some relationship to parentheses, but it is
> incidental; in other programming modes, an sexp is whatever makes
> sense in that language and these commands are redefined appropriately.
>
> I think it is entirely appropriate to use these bindings to navigate
> structure in org-mode as well.

I basically agree. However, the proposed mapping between SEXP movement
commands in programming modes and in org-mode seems rather loose:

Presumably the intended mapping is

C-c C-n <--> C-M-n   "n command"
C-c C-f <--> C-M-f   "f command"

That suggests that the n command in Org-mode should skip over the next
subtree, like forward-list; however, it advances over a body to the
start of the next subtree.

In fact, isn't there an argument that the Org bindings are the wrong way
round?  If we define in Org-mode:

- atom :: the body of a heading
- SEXP :: an atom, or a subtree

then the n command in Org-mode currently behaves a bit like forward-sexp
(C-M-f) , whereas the f command in Org-mode behaves a bit like
forward-list (C-M-n).

Dan




>
> My 2 cents,
> Nick
>
>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-09 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-08  9:14 Poll: Who is using these commands Carsten Dominik
2010-05-08 11:56 ` Vagn Johansen
2010-05-08 12:22 ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2010-05-08 13:28 ` Mikael Fornius
2010-05-08 14:06 ` Bastien
2010-05-08 15:53 ` Eric Schulte
2010-05-08 18:12   ` Benjamin Andresen
2010-05-08 21:47   ` Carsten Dominik
2010-05-08 16:17 ` Memnon Anon
2010-05-08 16:44 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-05-08 17:46   ` Scot Becker
2010-05-08 20:26     ` Stephan Schmitt
2010-05-08 18:04 ` Scott Randby
2010-05-08 22:35   ` Eric S Fraga
2010-05-08 22:46   ` Russell Adams
2010-05-08 20:22 ` Friedrich Delgado Friedrichs
2010-05-08 22:03   ` Scott Randby
2010-05-08 23:42     ` Daniel Clemente
2010-05-09 11:43     ` Carsten Dominik
2010-05-09 12:39       ` Ecce Berlin
2010-05-09 13:08       ` Sebastian Rose
2010-05-09 14:26       ` Leo
2010-05-09 14:42         ` Stephan Schmitt
2010-05-09 15:24         ` Carsten Dominik
2010-05-09 17:27           ` Sebastian Rose
2010-05-09 18:03           ` Leo
2010-05-09 15:59         ` Nick Dokos
2010-05-09 16:23           ` Leo
2010-05-09 17:33             ` Sebastian Rose
2010-05-09 18:06               ` Leo
2010-05-09 18:13             ` Dan Davison
2010-05-09 18:59           ` Dan Davison
2010-05-09 19:00           ` Dan Davison [this message]
2010-05-10  5:07             ` Carsten Dominik
2010-05-09 19:22       ` Scott Randby
2010-05-10  6:33     ` Carsten Dominik
2010-05-11  1:04       ` Scott Randby
2010-05-11  5:22       ` Russell Adams
2010-05-11  8:00       ` Andrew Burrow
2010-05-11 23:45       ` Scott Randby
2010-05-12  1:18         ` Eric Schulte
2010-05-12  2:16           ` Livin Stephen Sharma
2010-05-08 22:21 ` Bernt Hansen
2010-05-08 23:38 ` Sebastian Hofer
2010-05-09  3:28 ` Daniel Martins
2010-05-09  5:10   ` Vincent Belaïche
2010-05-10  8:39 ` Ulf Stegemann
2010-05-10  8:50 ` Jörg Hagmann
2010-05-11  8:13 ` Andrew Burrow
2010-05-11 12:01 ` Matt Lundin

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