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From: David Maus <dmaus@ictsoc.de>
To: Dan Davison <davison@stats.ox.ac.uk>
Cc: Vagn Johansen <gonz808@hotmail.com>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Re: using orgmode to send html mail?
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:25:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87iq897onb.wl%dmaus@ictsoc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tyrtrjfq.fsf@stats.ox.ac.uk>


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Dan Davison wrote:

>[...]

>> It just makes no sense to create such a nested message: If the
>> recipient requires html markup than send him html markup.  Why such a
>> nested message?

>Hi David,

>What about if I'm sending an email containing some org-mode elements
>like tables, and also some code. I want the reader to he able to see the
>plain text structure of the tables, so that they know exactly what's
>going on. But for the code, I would like those using webmail clients to
>see nicely formatted, fontified code.

>Is that a potential justification?

I cannot answer this question because the whole idea of sending just
some parts of the entire document is based on a horrible mistake:

> But for the code, I would like those using webmail clients to see
> nicely formatted, fontified code.

I understand this idea, but: MIME is about message transport, not
message display.  You want the message displayed in a certain way but

  You have little control over how the content is displayed on the
  recipients side.

To give an example: I've sent one of the "complex" MIME messages to a
mail account at GMX, a quite popular german mail hoster and opened it
in the web interface.

The message was constructed like this (using mml like markup):

< #part type="text/plain">
First MIME entity
< #multipart type="alternative">
< #part type="text/plain">
  Second in plain text
< #part type="text/html">
  <b>Second</b> in HTML
< /#multipart>
< #part type="text/plain">
  Third MIME entity.
< #part type="text/plain">
  Fourth in plain text
< #part type="text/html">
  <b>Fourth</b> in HTML
< /#multipart>

  - when I first opened the message I had to toggle the NoScript
    extension to allow iframes:

    http://s10.directupload.net/file/u/15851/wydtca3n_png.htm

  - after that the html was shown, but... totally messed up

    http://s10.directupload.net/file/u/15851/j43xqkjt_png.htm

  - and finally I chose "plain text" display

    http://s1.directupload.net/file/u/15851/plz64u4a_png.htm

    And the second and fourth part was silently dropped.

Sending a simple message with a plain text body followed by it's html
representation was displayed fine:

http://s10.directupload.net/file/u/15851/ojdn8pdl_png.htm

See what I mean?

 -- David

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-02 17:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-22  2:34 using orgmode to send html mail? Matt Price
2010-03-22 15:44 ` Matt Price
2010-03-22 20:18 ` David Maus
2010-03-23 19:54   ` Eric Schulte
2010-03-23 21:46     ` Xiao-Yong Jin
2010-03-24 15:00       ` Eric Schulte
2010-03-24 17:50         ` Dan Davison
2010-03-24 18:01           ` Eric Schulte
2010-03-24 19:12             ` David Maus
2010-03-24 20:19               ` Eric Schulte
2010-03-25 21:17                 ` David Maus
2010-03-26 14:53                   ` Eric Schulte
2010-03-26 16:04                     ` David Maus
2010-03-26 16:32                       ` Eric Schulte
2010-03-31 18:12                         ` [CONTRIB?] " Eric Schulte
2010-03-31 20:05                           ` Dan Davison
2010-03-31 21:10                             ` Eric Schulte
2010-03-31 21:37                               ` Dan Davison
2010-04-01 14:22                                 ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-05  5:39                                   ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-05  6:49                                     ` Carsten Dominik
2010-04-05 15:31                                       ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-09 16:41                                         ` [ANN] org-mime -- " Eric Schulte
2010-04-09 17:41                                           ` Matt Price
2010-04-09 19:11                                             ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-09 19:22                                             ` David Maus
2010-04-09 20:34                                               ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-12 13:37                                           ` Andrew Hyatt
2010-04-12 17:22                                             ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-13  1:31                                               ` Andrew Hyatt
2010-04-14  0:57                                                 ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-14  1:57                                                   ` Andrew Hyatt
2010-04-14 14:59                                                     ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-14 18:00                                                       ` Andrew Hyatt
2010-04-14 19:26                                                         ` Bernt Hansen
2010-04-14  8:39                                                   ` Eric S Fraga
2010-04-14 15:12                                                     ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-14 19:38                                                       ` Eric S Fraga
2010-04-15  2:49                                                         ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-15 15:47                                                           ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-13 23:03                                           ` Eric S Fraga
2010-04-14  1:22                                             ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-05 13:54                                     ` [CONTRIB?] " Dan Davison
2010-04-05 14:50                                       ` David Maus
2010-04-05 14:53                                       ` Dan Davison
2010-04-05 15:30                                         ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-01 17:37                           ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2010-04-01 17:45                           ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2010-03-31 20:37                         ` David Maus
2010-03-31 22:03                           ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-02  7:04                             ` David Maus
2010-04-02 23:01                               ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-03  9:19                                 ` David Maus
2010-04-04 17:52                                   ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-01  7:53                           ` Vagn Johansen
2010-04-02  6:34                             ` David Maus
2010-04-02 14:57                               ` Dan Davison
2010-04-02 17:25                                 ` David Maus [this message]
2010-04-02 21:10                                   ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-03  9:00                                     ` David Maus
2010-04-03 12:03                                       ` David Maus
2010-04-04  2:41                                         ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-04 10:00                                           ` David Maus

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