From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Memnon Anon Subject: Re: Basic orgmode tutorial Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <87pr2tscr5.fsf@mean.albasani.net> References: <10AEC517-6BBA-4436-B567-D1D5AB6A78C8@gmail.com> <20100323220701.GE18401@thinkpad.adamsinfoserv.com> <0C588648-02E7-4C91-B66F-F994DBDB0433@gmail.com> <20100324171848.GK16785@thinkpad.adamsinfoserv.com> <87ocidzgfx.fsf@stats.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NuXWE-0006rE-NC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:49:38 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35894 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NuXWD-0006ql-6X for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:49:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuXWA-0001KB-O5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:49:36 -0400 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:36406) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuXWA-0001Jb-Dq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:49:34 -0400 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuXW7-00078D-Br for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:49:31 +0100 Received: from e178198043.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.198.43]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:49:31 +0100 Received: from gegendosenfleisch by e178198043.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:49:31 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Dan Davison writes: > Yes, exactly. I want to counter some of the recent pessimism on this > topic. Org-mode is very attractive to people in its own right, and as it > happens it is implemented in emacs. I know one person who has used > org-mode constantly for a couple of years now, purely for the agenda and > todo lists, without ever aquiring any ability or interest in using emacs > per se. She knows the keys to change TODO states, set timestamps and > call up the agenda and that was all that was needed. Although only > scraping the surface of what org-mode can do, the fact that someone who > otherwise only uses MS Word and firefox is still using org-mode after > two years says something *extremely* positive about org-mode. [...] > That also brings up the question of org-CUA-compatible -- would that be > set in this putative newbie org configuration? [...] > So what I am saying is that org-mode is sufficiently attractive that we > should expect non-emacs users to be attracted to it, and that we should > be optimistic about the ability of such people to start using > org-mode. And that yes, we need to work on the configuration for them. I recently installed emacs for a co-student of mine, just to give her the ability to have the outline. She struggled with organizing her notes on her research (first semester ;), so I suggested to her to have a look at the outline tools out there; after she tried some of the solutions available, I finally showed her orgmode, and she really chose org. Reason: Cleaner look, less clutter: Some of the menus in the other programs were overwhelming for her and org offered her exactly what she wanted. She is a student with average computer/software knowledge: Watch movies, use firefox, use openoffice. And thats it. I will ask her for feedback, I haven't spoken to her lately. One thing, however, I noticed at once: I installed for her the official emacs windows build, and the inconsistent mouse usage was a problem. Inconsistent not in itself, just different to what she learned and expects how mouse, copy and paste, selecting text etc. works. It broke her pattern of usage, and it was interesting to see, how confusing that is from an outside perspective. ;). I wish I had chosen Lennart Borgmanns Built, which, I guess - I am on linux only, comes with a more sensible set of preconfigurations. Memnon ... P.S.: Crazy idea: Would it be possible to use the mouse to move Headlines like M-up/M-down does? I do not understand it, but again and again I see computerusers cherishing their beloved rodent. Even heavy computer users find it hard to remember keystrokes. Or they are just unwilling to invest the effort ...