From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: tftorrey@tftorrey.com (T.F. Torrey) Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:39:42 -0700 Message-ID: <87r4jpk4mp.fsf@lapcat.tftorrey.com> References: <87ip5199x7.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55825) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UE45O-0006Qc-Tn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:40:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UE45J-0003MC-Ta for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:40:14 -0500 Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:46225) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UE45J-0003M0-Mr for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:40:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ip5199x7.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> (message from Bastien on Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:40:52 +0100) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hello, Bastien writes: > Hi Andreas, > > Andreas R=C3=B6hler writes: > >> Hmm, AFAIS trouble might occur only if someone tries to load a >> non-default --i.e. not-starred-- org-file while the default is >> active. > > ... or if someone shares a file online using non-star character > as the prefix for headlines: this file won't be processed by > Org tools like org-ruby and the like. > >> But even then it's quite easy to write a guess, which might start if >> org-mode didn't encounter the stars where expected. > > Org files are not just for Emacs, that's were the problem lies... I don't understand this heavy-handed approach. Plain text is great because I can do whatever I want. What I come up with might not work correctly in other tools (or anything at all), but I have the freedom to do interesting things, and to have my files look just the way I want them to. Emacs is great because it allows me the freedom of near-infinite customization. It has sensible defaults, but it allows me to break things however I want. Org, on the other hand, seems to be moving away from that in many ways. Headlines must start with stars because I might someday post something on the web and it wouldn't work for someone else? Other tools might not recognize my file correctly? A developer of some other tool might someday have a problem? These are not good reasons for limiting what I can do with my own Org files. I don't need or want supervision in how I create my files. I want freedom. If I wanted supervision, I wouldn't be using Emacs. Have you seen the lisp posted to the web? Somehow, Emacs and I survive that. Org started as a great tool that let me do cool things with my text files. I don't want to see it change to a rigid format for me to force my files into, where my only options are conform or leave. Org should err on the side of user freedom. IMHO, Terry --=20 T.F. Torrey