From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id mNVrF96IjmALvQAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 02 May 2021 13:11:26 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id +DUeE96IjmDobgAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 02 May 2021 11:11:26 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDC592313F for ; Sun, 2 May 2021 13:11:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:50640 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldA0R-0005vi-HW for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 02 May 2021 07:11:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53640) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ld9yx-0005vQ-PQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2021 07:09:52 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:42765) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ld9yv-0007ST-Iy for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2021 07:09:51 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B83702400FE for ; Sun, 2 May 2021 13:09:46 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1619953786; bh=Bp+OIKBfWnVj02moVk4Wcwxo9WFPYd/Pti6o+XKtmCQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=aY043oIT3igbE0OBc+C9RTxHciDJbSEX5Szlm9vdY2efhwudJwcNtAjZlW40pfMek Z/WPLF9rs5O6rXusR0QFM9W5/Gsq+eGR3DLC5r0PefPK06ORZ6CKpvlQYE96y+EKZU LYwZVCsYo8ey0gIoIklVeDvu2bkg1o0W/smAmcNPfSkid9fksae+UdwtieFgEYVEvT SfRcqxnDih17KzVmyF/IJMB3ogqQR3w7vjU2BOS8ueKLJ39sqLJSN+tMwYuXeLJK9W FUWws5Q/KvAxjkT+B5s4Sp+D4/+8Ex+S3W+VVDidq0ArCCHDwxHgy9qni6efeA7ddS 2JrJsXZwdwMJg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4FY3KP6fyXz9rxd; Sun, 2 May 2021 13:09:45 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Eric S Fraga Subject: Re: [PATCH] A proposal to add LaTeX attributes to verse blocks References: <87pn38s5wo.fsf@posteo.net> <87ft3itiu2.fsf@gmail.com> <87sg7ijhi5.fsf@posteo.net> <87eej2ta4e.fsf@gmail.com> <87ble0pojq.fsf@posteo.net> <878s4y7mbh.fsf@gnu.org> <87tunlxws3.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 02 May 2021 11:09:44 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87tunlxws3.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> (Eric S. 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Eric S Fraga writes: > What is being proposed looks reasonable to me. I don't use =verse= very > often but have used it now and again and I can particular see the need > for numbering and centring, in particular. Indeed, optical centering is the correct typographic representation for poetry and poetry quotes. There would only be a couple exceptions: a) Certain types of avant-garde poetry (whose representation on paper is usually freer) and b) those poems whose verses spill over the margins and span several lines (in such case, the attribute :versewidth would have to take the value \textwidth, and then the verse package takes care of adjusting the overflowing part of the verses). Here I have uploaded two very illustrative examples of optical centering, two pages from a Tolkien book (/The Monsters and the Critics and Other Essays/) and another page from a book that I recently typesetted (here also includes verse numbering): https://imgur.com/a/cGi4CpD > Is the verse package loaded automatically already? I did not see any > change in the patch to that aspect and when I export a simple test, the > package is not loaded. For now, you need to load the verse package or add it to org-latex-packages-alist... Best regards, Juan Manuel