From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id WP8gHhihrV66fwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 02 May 2020 16:34:32 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id ICj+MSGhrV5qPQAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 02 May 2020 16:34:41 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142::17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F060A94330B for ; Sat, 2 May 2020 16:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:39034 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUv67-0001Ny-6v for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 12:34:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49156) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUv5m-0001NY-6q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 12:34:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUv5l-0000Ok-Bo for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 12:34:17 -0400 Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:46305) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUv5k-0000Hr-LH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 12:34:16 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 185.131.40.67 Received: from localhost (40-67.ipv4.commingeshautdebit.fr [185.131.40.67]) (Authenticated sender: admin@nicolasgoaziou.fr) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BC2C7FF804; Sat, 2 May 2020 16:34:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Nicolas Goaziou To: Denis Maier Subject: Re: wip-cite status question and feedback References: <777184861.71192.1586510991834@office.mailbox.org> <874kto245n.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87sgh8zpmg.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <1084456979.81820.1586724551265@office.mailbox.org> <877dykz6ri.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87r1wrwvam.fsf@fastmail.fm> <87wo6hfg4k.fsf@aquinas> <87v9lx6ju6.fsf@aquinas> <87r1wj7scc.fsf@aquinas> <87lfmjzgeq.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87h7x7z62q.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87k11v5zdn.fsf@aquinas> <87368i77nh.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <2fbf14cf-ae8c-4f7c-27f7-33771aa99492@mailbox.org> Mail-Followup-To: Denis Maier , Org Mode List Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 18:34:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <2fbf14cf-ae8c-4f7c-27f7-33771aa99492@mailbox.org> (Denis Maier's message of "Sat, 2 May 2020 17:16:49 +0200") Message-ID: <87tv0y5m9o.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.199; envelope-from=mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr; helo=relay9-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/02 12:34:13 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.70.183.199 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Org Mode List Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: -1.01 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 2001:470:142::17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [-1.01 / 13.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.49512820281126]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_BLOCKED(0.00)[2001:470:142::17:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:142::/48:c]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.15), country: US(-0.00), ip: 2001:470:142::17(-0.50)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_FAIL(0.00)[2001:470:142::17:server fail]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:2001:470:142::/48, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr,emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nicolasgoaziou.fr]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: rFK0tgzcTciD It seems you didn't copy the list. I add it again. > No, I think that should be fine. (Perhaps also a fourth one for > author-only. And what about nocite?) Sorry. I wasn't clear. There is still full support for styles behind the suggested syntax, e.g., [cite/author: ...], [cite/nocite: ...] (this one is odd). I was pointing out that we cover Citeproc needs, and more. > Author in text, the rest in a footnote. So it is not really a new style; you can have cite-text on top of any style. This might be a problem. Either we invent an alternate syntax, with duplicated styles, e.g. [cite: ...] [cite/style: ...] [cite*: ...] [cite*/style: ...] this was already suggested in this thread (with "citet"). Or we make use of sub-styles, e.g. [cite: ...] [cite/foot: ...] [cite/text: ...] [cite/foot/text: ...] This is ambiguous, tho: is it "cite/foot/text" or "cite/text/foot"? Of course, this is an issue for BibLaTeX only. AFAIU, [cite/text: ...] is totally unambiguous for Citeproc. What do Bib(La)TeX users think about it? > That doesn't exist in CSL. It could be useful though. It is odd that citeproc-el offers this, then. > citeproc-js handles pseudo-html, with pandoc-citeproc it's possible to > use markdown, but I think also raw HTML should be supported... It sounds good enough, then. Besides, i assume markup in prefix/suffix is not common. Thank you.