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From: "Kévin Le Gouguec" <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
To: Bastien <bzg@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [POLL] Setting `org-adapt-indentation' to nil by default?
Date: Sun, 02 May 2021 22:44:06 +0200
Message-ID: <87y2cwooh5.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878s4x3bwh.fsf@gnu.org> (Bastien's message of "Sun, 02 May 2021 08:09:02 +0200")

Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> writes:

> Indentation is quite sensitive: what do you think of setting a new
> default value of nil for `org-adapt-indentation' in Org 9.5?

I think that makes sense.  If the controversy over the
electric-indent-mode change taught me anything, it's that a lot of
people don't expect their Org files to be hard-indented, which I fully
sympathize with (I personally soft-indent with org-indent-mode).

I don't know whether the folks that protested over the change represent
the majority of Org users, but FWIW:

- That position sounds consistent with the Org files we see in the
  org-mode repo (where .dir-locals.el sets the variable to nil).

- I expect that the resulting behaviour matches what users were used to:
  before Org 9.4, I imagine most folks would hit RET, get unindented
  text, and not think twice about it.  People who preferred indentation
  would have had to go out of their way to get it, by always hitting TAB
  or C-j (which is the "dumb, unindented newline" in other modes which
  honor electric-indent-mode); I'd be surprised if many people worked
  this way[1].

'headline-data sounds like a reasonable default too, although I think it
still has some wrinkles[2].


Thanks for following up on this, and thanks again for your stewardship.


[1] Although I'm glad to learn that the current state of affairs made at
    least one user happy 🙂
    <s6mr6r$17cg$1@ciao.gmane.io>
    https://orgmode.org/list/s6mr6r$17cg$1@ciao.gmane.io/t/#u

[2] Typing "* headline RET" starts an indented line; further RETs keep
    point indented until I type in something, after which RET finally
    snaps back to column 0.  I'd expect point to always land on column 0
    when hitting RET after a headline, since "headline data"
    (e.g. :PROPERTIES:, :LOGBOOK:) will probably always be entered
    automatically via a command.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-05-02 20:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-02  6:09 Bastien
2021-05-02  7:13 ` Tim Cross
2021-05-02  8:06 ` Jean Louis
2021-05-02  8:47   ` Tim Cross
2021-05-02 20:18     ` Jean Louis
2021-05-02 22:25       ` Tim Cross
2021-05-03  7:41         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-05-03 10:15         ` Jean Louis
2021-05-02  8:56   ` Bastien
2021-05-02  8:59     ` Bastien
2021-05-02 20:24       ` Jean Louis
2021-05-02 20:21     ` Jean Louis
2021-05-02 20:22     ` Jean Louis
2021-05-02 10:07 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-05-02 15:01 ` Detlef Steuer
2021-05-02 15:44   ` Colin Baxter
2021-05-02 15:46 ` Amin Bandali
2021-05-02 18:11   ` Tom Gillespie
2021-05-02 18:19     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-02 18:48       ` Tom Gillespie
2021-05-02 19:20         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-03 10:11   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-05-02 18:31 ` Jim Porter
2021-05-02 20:44 ` Kévin Le Gouguec [this message]
2021-05-03  7:33   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-05-03  8:06     ` Bastien
2021-05-03 12:53       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-05-03 13:40         ` Bastien
2021-05-03 14:57           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-05-06 14:50       ` Maxim Nikulin
2021-05-15 20:51         ` Bastien
2021-05-19 17:02           ` [PATCH] etc/ORG-NEWS: Suggest against disabling `electric-indent-mode' Maxim Nikulin
2021-05-20 12:25             ` Bastien
2021-05-19 17:08           ` [PATCH] org-faq.org: Expand "What is the best setup for indenting?" Maxim Nikulin
2021-05-19 18:06             ` Greg Minshall
2021-05-20 15:57               ` Maxim Nikulin
2021-05-21  2:45                 ` Greg Minshall
2021-05-27 16:11                   ` Maxim Nikulin
2021-05-21  9:38                 ` Bastien
2021-05-20 12:28             ` Bastien
2021-05-19 17:08           ` [POLL] Setting `org-adapt-indentation' to nil by default? Maxim Nikulin
2021-05-02 21:07 ` Jack Kamm
2021-05-05  7:54 ` Bastien
2021-05-06 14:13   ` Bastien
2021-05-09 16:42     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-05-15 12:46       ` Bastien

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