From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Max Rydahl Andersen" Subject: Re: avoiding "First item of list cannot move without its subtree" Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:35:18 +0100 Message-ID: References: <2F92B854-9322-45EA-8753-A6CAA3717974@redhat.com> <87h93oygic.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_6BA18175-C84F-44BD-905D-123C59593EEA_=" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49665) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cfvcE-0002Tg-GI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:35:27 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cfvcB-0005uw-C6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:35:26 -0500 Received: from mail-wm0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]:36783) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cfvc9-0005ui-RC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:35:22 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-f53.google.com with SMTP id c85so92107918wmi.1 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 13:35:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87h93oygic.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Nicolas Goaziou Cc: Org-mode --=_MailMate_6BA18175-C84F-44BD-905D-123C59593EEA_= Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >> And then I go over these and I use the shift/alt+keys to reorder the >> ideas up and down and eventually I would like to do this: >> >> ``` >> * Some important topic >> - idea 1, some notes >> ** TODO idea 2, another note >> - idea 3, a third note >> ``` > > What is that? Is "** TODO idea 2, another note" a headline, in which > case it should be at column 0? Yes sorry, bad indent. > Headlines are different from plain lists. You can use C-c * on second > item to turn it into a headline. Yes, I know about that one - but I would prefer not having to change to another set of keys :) I can do shift arrow left/rigt/up/down for the list item *until* I hit the top heading. > You can also move to the beginning of line (C-a), kill word (M-d) and > insert the two stars. It is a longer but maybe more natural, since > those > are standard text editing keys. this is what I do know - just more tedious if shift + arrows could ask instead of blocking. >> I know I can press a short cut to make it a top item, but why can't >> I just use the normal standard tree editing keys ? > > I'm not sure to understand what "standard tree editing keys" you're > talking about. shift arrows up/down/left/righit. > AFAIU, you want to turn a structure (a list) into another one (a > headline). There's a command for that, but I don't consider the action > to be a standard editing one. Yes, but it would be so convenient it would not just block edit and require shifting to completely different keys IMO. >> Is there a way to have org-mode ask what kind of thing it should do >> when I move the lists "out-of-bounds" instead >> of just error out on me ? > > IMO, you may be mis-using the tool. Might be - but seems it fits very naturally to be able to at least allow to move list items outside its parent. Don't get me wrong - I like it defaults to stopping, but would prefer it would ask or let me do shift + left + left to override or something similar. /max http://about.me/maxandersen --=_MailMate_6BA18175-C84F-44BD-905D-123C59593EEA_= Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And then I go over these and= I use the shift/alt+keys to reorder the
ideas up and down and eventually I would like to do this:

```
* Some important topic
- idea 1, some notes
** TODO idea 2, another note
- idea 3, a third note
```

What is that? Is "** TODO idea 2, another no= te" a headline, in which
case it should be at column 0?

Yes sorry, bad indent.

H= eadlines are different from plain lists. You can use C-c * on second
item to turn it into a headline.

Yes, I know about that one - but I would prefer not havin= g to change to
another set of keys :)

I can do shift arrow left/rigt/up/down for the list item = until I hit the top heading.

Y= ou can also move to the beginning of line (C-a), kill word (M-d) and
insert the two stars. It is a longer but maybe more natural, since those<= br> are standard text editing keys.

this is what I do know - just more tedious if shift + arr= ows could ask instead of blocking.

I know I can press a short c= ut to make it a top item, but why can't
I just use the normal standard tree editing keys ?

I'm not sure to understand what "standard tr= ee editing keys" you're
talking about.

shift arrows up/down/left/righit.

A= FAIU, you want to turn a structure (a list) into another one (a
headline). There's a command for that, but I don't consider the action to be a standard editing one.

Yes, but it would be so convenient it would not just bloc= k edit and require
shifting to completely different keys IMO.

Is there a way to have org-m= ode ask what kind of thing it should do
when I move the lists "out-of-bounds" instead
of just error out on me ?

IMO, you may be mis-using the tool.

Might be - but seems it fits very naturally to be able to= at least allow to move list items outside its parent.

Don't get me wrong - I like it defaults to stopping, but= would prefer it would ask or let me do shift + left + left to override o= r something similar.

/max
http://ab= out.me/maxandersen

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