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* Could a citation act as a link, or a link to be exported as a citation?
@ 2021-06-07  7:02 Ypo
       [not found] ` <5123ca766515124c7aed07135d548efe@libre.brussels>
  2021-06-07 12:24 ` Bruce D'Arcus
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From: Ypo @ 2021-06-07  7:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I've been reading you about cites. Conversation is above my head, but 
just in case it could be helpful, I would like to address a frequent 
problem in the workflow of taking notes, that advanced users suffer too.

When taking notes, it's usual to make some bibliographical references in 
one file and some related notes in a different file. I link both using 
internal links, but it can't be exported directly as a bibliography, 
which would be cool indeed.

Could a citation act as a link, or a link to be exported as a citation?

An example, could the link "[[id:20210607T083216.726761][...]]" be 
substituted by a cite, that takes you to the reference?

*Reference (from a .org file, as it is, but if it needed to had /.bib 
structure/ to kind of "unify" internal links and cites, would be fine too):*

**** William Denton [wtd@pobox.com]. (29 Mar 2021 16:15:18 -0400 (EDT)). 
/About exporting [Respuesta en emacs-orgmode]./ Lista de correo.
:PROPERTIES:
:ID:       20210607T083216.726761
:END:
:LINKS:
- [[id:20210607T083216.765049][Memoir could be flexible,]]
:END:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2021-03/msg00443.html
To get better at it, I'd recommend reading the manual for the Memoir 
class [1]
(the first few chapters that talk about page design, at least, then 
refer to the
rest as needed) and Robert Bringhurst's THE ELEMENTS OF TYPOGRAPHIC 
STYLE [2]
(which will give you ideas you can implement and right away your 
documents will
look great).

Bill

[1] https://www.ctan.org/pkg/memoir
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Typographic_Style



*Note (it could be a task, or a study note, or a note to write a book in 
the future...):*

**** Memoir could be flexible, take a look at it.
:PROPERTIES:
:ID:       20210607T083216.765049
:END:
:LINKS:
- [[id:20210607T083216.726761][William Denton [wtd@pobox.com]. (29 Mar 
2021 16:15:18 -0400 (EDT)). /About exporting [Respuesta en 
emacs-orgmode]./ Lista de correo.]]
:END:



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* Re: Could a citation act as a link, or a link to be exported as a citation?
       [not found] ` <5123ca766515124c7aed07135d548efe@libre.brussels>
@ 2021-06-07 10:37   ` Ypo
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From: Ypo @ 2021-06-07 10:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: indieterminacy; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

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Thanks, Jonathan

I don't know much about Hyperbole, but it looked kind of aside from 
orgmode. Not sure if I want to add that possible difficulty to orgmode 
parsers.

BTW, in the William's example I added before, it could work org-ref, 
because there are not subtrees, just by citing to the reference in a 
.bib file. But this wouldn't work with subtrees, where each subtree is a 
chapter of the referenced book.

*Reference:*

**

> *** Suárez Falcón, J. C., Recio Saboya, P., San Luis Costas, M. C., y 
> Pozo Cabanillas, M. P. (2019). /Introducción al análisis de datos: 
> Aplicaciones en psicología y ciencias de la salud./ Sanz y Torres
>
> *** Suárez Falcón et al. (2019) "1 Conceptos básicos y Organización de 
> Datos - 1.3. Concepto y Funciones de la Estadística: Descripción e 
> Inferencia"
> :PROPERTIES:
> :ID:       20210607T122433.664964
> :END:
> *
> **
*
*

*Note:*

> * Here you can see *duplicate linking* is needed: one for the Chapter 
> in the Reference file (above) and another one for citations to work to 
> the bibtex file, below.
> :PROPERTIES:
> :ID:       20210607T122524.032860
> :END:
> :LINKS:
> /*- [[id:20210607T122433.664964]]*//*
> *//*- cite:SuarezFalcon.2019.IntroduccionAnalisisDatos*/
> :END:
>
*Bibtex entry:*

**

> *@book{SuarezFalcon.2019.IntroduccionAnalisisDatos,
>   title = {Introducción al análisis de datos: aplicaciones en 
> psicología y ciencias de la salud},
>   shorttitle = {Introducción al análisis de datos},
>   author = {Suárez Falcón, Juan Carlos and RECIO SABOYA, PATRICIA and 
> SAN LUIS COSTAS, MARÍA CONCEPCIÓN and POZO CABANILLAS, MARÍA DEL PILAR},
>   year = {2019},
>   publisher = {Sanz y Torres},
>   address = {Alcorcón},
>   annotation = {OCLC: 1140871590},
>   file = {Z\:\\SuarezFalcon.2019.IntroduccionAnalisisDatos.pdf},
>   isbn = {978-84-17765-42-2},
>   language = {Spanish}
> }*
*
*

Just a thought, maybe superficial and un-needed feature, just in case.

Best regards


El 07/06/2021 a las 10:30, indieterminacy@libre.brussels escribió:
> Hi Bill,
>
> Perhaps its worth looking into Hyperbole?
>
> It has contexts and actions which could work when the cursor is on the 
> link reference. Given it operates well with Orgmode now and has 
> transitioned into globa minor mode some of its deficiencies have been 
> ironed out.
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> June 7, 2021 9:03 AM, "Ypo" <ypuntot@gmail.com 
> <mailto:ypuntot@gmail.com?to=%22Ypo%22%20<ypuntot@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
>     I've been reading you about cites. Conversation is above my head,
>     but just in case it could be helpful, I would like to address a
>     frequent problem in the workflow of taking notes, that advanced
>     users suffer too.
>
>     When taking notes, it's usual to make some bibliographical
>     references in one file and some related notes in a different file.
>     I link both using internal links, but it can't be exported
>     directly as a bibliography, which would be cool indeed.
>
>     Could a citation act as a link, or a link to be exported as a
>     citation?
>
>     An example, could the link "[[id:20210607T083216.726761][...]]" be
>     substituted by a cite, that takes you to the reference?
>
>     *Reference (from a .org file, as it is, but if it needed to had
>     /.bib structure/ to kind of "unify" internal links and cites,
>     would be fine too):*
>
>     **** William Denton [wtd@pobox.com <mailto:wtd@pobox.com>]. (29
>     Mar 2021 16:15:18 -0400 (EDT)). /About exporting [Respuesta en
>     emacs-orgmode]./ Lista de correo.
>     :PROPERTIES:
>     :ID: 20210607T083216.726761
>     :END:
>     :LINKS:
>     - [[id:20210607T083216.765049][Memoir could be flexible,]]
>     :END:
>     https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2021-03/msg00443.html
>     <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2021-03/msg00443.html>
>     To get better at it, I'd recommend reading the manual for the
>     Memoir class [1]
>     (the first few chapters that talk about page design, at least,
>     then refer to the
>     rest as needed) and Robert Bringhurst's THE ELEMENTS OF
>     TYPOGRAPHIC STYLE [2]
>     (which will give you ideas you can implement and right away your
>     documents will
>     look great).
>
>     Bill
>
>     [1] https://www.ctan.org/pkg/memoir <https://www.ctan.org/pkg/memoir>
>     [2]
>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Typographic_Style
>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Typographic_Style>
>
>     *Note (it could be a task, or a study note, or a note to write a
>     book in the future...):*
>
>     **** Memoir could be flexible, take a look at it.
>     :PROPERTIES:
>     :ID: 20210607T083216.765049
>     :END:
>     :LINKS:
>     - [[id:20210607T083216.726761][William Denton [wtd@pobox.com
>     <mailto:wtd@pobox.com>]. (29 Mar 2021 16:15:18 -0400 (EDT)).
>     /About exporting [Respuesta en emacs-orgmode]./ Lista de correo.]]
>     :END:
>
>
>

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* Re: Could a citation act as a link, or a link to be exported as a citation?
  2021-06-07  7:02 Could a citation act as a link, or a link to be exported as a citation? Ypo
       [not found] ` <5123ca766515124c7aed07135d548efe@libre.brussels>
@ 2021-06-07 12:24 ` Bruce D'Arcus
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Bruce D'Arcus @ 2021-06-07 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ypo; +Cc: org-mode-email

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 3:02 AM Ypo <ypuntot@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've been reading you about cites. Conversation is above my head, but just in case it could be helpful, I would like to address a frequent problem in the workflow of taking notes, that advanced users suffer too.
>
> When taking notes, it's usual to make some bibliographical references in one file and some related notes in a different file. I link both using internal links, but it can't be exported directly as a bibliography, which would be cool indeed.
>
> Could a citation act as a link, or a link to be exported as a citation?

In general, a citation is conceptually a kind of specialized link.

And org-ref and now org-cite is designed around the possibility of
attaching actions to those citations. So, for example:

> An example, could the link "[[id:20210607T083216.726761][...]]" be substituted by a cite, that takes you to the reference?

The oc-basic processor has an at-point function that will do just
this, if by "reference" you mean the bibtex (and maybe ultimately csl
json) source entry.

Have you looked at org-roam and org-roam-bibtex?

If not, that might give you some ideas, as it heavily relies on org
links, but also has support for citations.

Plans there are to support org-cite, BTW.

Bruce


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