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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1622380717; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=EWunuyAnPTHhlTq4Lw65ehG7NAtW1aU5idlwnrq/dAI=; b=Yw54qul5kSG1o81TWMmxdjnOnIvFiYWbpXXGdjX5ZRidNIwdzhodhHvkTSa4Wm6dkLp5Ll 2O8hGXVWKV4fvfIPzSpa/cbON649o77UAEGMw26VDyowZPxB0FHezqTV4iBqaSu/mhBX6B BSuesyQKjjNtoLSsH6YPhhVFZLpTFqwmLMD2Aoelrat6Yv0BHjSeREJIGArAB1CM+uO8kY ix9aGAE0qh8rEuQswF5ahKoZf+durQpcNjuYlmfGmRnBZsZAc+bEKYr2j+tyddLrnVO/X3 eYfzugTLQvJSRYEJbiLiUOgm5lK4anAmH17+E4zMgG2iIbGGa4n7MIP+iw+gKQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1622380717; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=d1hK7Q8irJggBuFkETBni9D2Qpa5+lCZYIzj0Hi9aYpeRKtxgkw12/NBoh5hNojM3GqT7n ViP8nvB+FkWlVAsmu7XuLmx5QstP7KmMvSWdlcDI0rKW149x1eynSKZrKzKr8m0do6cQzJ B49WxSd1GY5KwnGEXWm9/Elj8t7DuwXsYvDkjCNi2VmNqwWL0yPgjc0BL1wdwwV49Z6byM ga7T5+mzQn1gLbh2fw0G/Cu+dLngIBWv4SyAm+NFfwgsOmVMbUAvTRkgwOdfK6DFzijDtI ClSLVjTcYaNCTSU8Xm9zFYf2vmuAaIbHw760+vx5WWpbhfvf5i0RmpUzvGE0xw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=eJGDTrJX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=eJGDTrJX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: CEB90BF06 X-Spam-Score: -3.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: K5d+URDuUyUE On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 12:22 PM Nicolas Goaziou w= rote: > > Hello, > > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > > > On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 4:31 PM Andr=C3=A1s Simonyi wrote: > > > >> Maybe instead of a full alist mapping backends to citation processors > >> we could have only options to declare a separate processor for > >> latex-based backends and another for non-latex ones? > > > > This would go a long way, and is probably all that's necessary. > > > > Really "latex" is the unique output mode here. > > But one may want to use a different processor for, say, beamer and > regular latex. Both are "latex" based. Worse, all custom back-ends > derived from "latex" are bound to use the same processor. I indeed hadn't thought about that. > Here's another proposal: > > `org-cite-export-processor' is now an alist, where keys are export > back-ends or t, which is the default key. > > '((latex biblatex bibstyle citestyle) > (beamer natbib nil nil) > (my-latex natbib bibstyle) > (t csl nil nil)) > > The selected processor is the one associated to the back-ends closest to > the current one used for export, by `org-export-derived-backend-p' > order. So if `my-other-latex' is derived from beamer, it will use > (natbib nil nil). > > OTOH, I suggest to stick to a single "cite_export" keyword, which > overrides any selected processor above. IOW > > #+cite_export: basic > > will use basic whatever the current export back-end is. > > In practice, I think it is sufficient. The only case where it may be > limiting is if you need to export with two different back-ends with two > processors different from those set in `org-cite-export-processor'. But > in that situation, I think swapping the cite_export keyword is > acceptable. > > So overall, I think it is a good compromise between simplicity and > power. > > WDYT? I'm not the best person to weigh in on org details, but in general, it looks good to me. Just to confirm, then, this would allow me to specify: 1. oc-csl as default 2. oc-biblatex as default for latex 3. locally override With 3, if on a particular document I didn't want 2, I'd just do this in the document, which would suppress 2 in effect? #+cite_export: csl style ...? Would you have this nil by default, or is there a reasonable default you could set? Bruce