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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=kjbxCG5q; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.71 X-TUID: l8KGzFrNn5W9 Hi all, Thank you for your comments on my post "Thoughts on the Standardization of Org." I appreciate all the feedback you have given me, I feel that, based off of the responses, there have been a number of miscommunications as to my intention. First, I did not mean the post to be primarily an argument for whether/when org should be standardized, but rather a discussion on how a standard should be structured. I realize now that including my position on whether org should be standardized in the preamble was a mistake. Also, I want to note that I was not intending to discuss by whom the standard should be governed. (Though I do believe it should be by the org community, not an external standards body.) Second, there is the matter of principle and practice. I am not arguing for the org community to direct volunteer effort to a second editing environment, as some are concerned. I am also personally not planning on creating one. However, I want to make sure that standardization effort does not prevent another first-class editing environment from being created, should there at some point in the future emerge a group of people motivated to do that. In summary, I think that it is important to think about the Emacs implementation as one of many /in principle/, even though it is the sole implementation /in practice/, and may remain so. I hope we can have a productive discussion on how an org standard should be structured, separate from, though perhaps in addition to, the discussion of whether org should be standardized. Thanks, Asa