From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: M Subject: Re: Org Tutorials need more structure Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 03:10:09 +0200 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56162) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VRAxG-0004Fq-S2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:10:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VRAxB-0003TY-AV for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:10:18 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]:56655) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VRAxB-0003T9-1Q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:10:13 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([91.45.169.195]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lopa3-1W1sPh3y7H-00gq15 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 2013 03:10:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs orgmode-mailinglist Hi Carsten & all, thanks for this good idea and the resulting discussion here! my 2 cents about the tutorials page: yes, I agree, that especially for absolute beginners (new to Emacs and new to org-mode) it would be helpful to have a very basic step by step tutorial. The list of "General introductions" is very long and quite confusing. How I came to using org-mode? I am a newby (at least I still feel like one, although I'm working with Emacs org-mode now for more than 1.5 years), so maybe my experience might help here. I was a GTD user at first using other "GUI oriented" GTD software like Thinking Rock, iGTD. iGTD had some problems and was not updated any more, so I started searching for a new tool and found Charles Cave's GTD tutorials [1] (nearly 3 years ago, it seems!) and then started using org-mode since Jan 2012. I then found Bernt Hansen's excellent site and used his setup [2] for my first steps with org-mode, but it was very hard to adapt the agendas and settings to my needs (and I'm still struggling). Furthermore, Sacha Chua's blog is very interesting and I'm often looking at the worg tutorials page. So my first interest was todo/task/project management, but I quickly became interested in note-taking, exporting, attachments, dired, bookmarks, linking, ... My problems were (and still are): a) I am one of those users, which have never been really working with Emacs before, so at the beginning, it's very hard to understand the concept and basic commands. Many tutorials take for granted a lot of knowledge. b) I'm using two different OS's (Windows 7 at work and OS X 10.6 at home), each one has its own problems when setting up advanced features. It is especially difficult, to set up an efficient workflow to integrate MS Outlook (Mails/Calendar) and Emacs org-mode... c) I'm only an engineer, not a professional programmer. My knowledge about programming in general and elisp and Emacs configuration is still very limited, unfortunately. see a) [1] http://members.optusnet.com.au/~charles57/GTD/gtd_workflow.html [2] http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html Nevertheless thank you for this great tool and all the work you all put in maintaining, extending, documenting and helping! Org-mode changed my way of working and I never was so close to having a good and efficient system as I am now with org-mode. (as soon as long as I don't have to search for the solution of a problem :( ) Kind regards Martin Carsten Dominik gmail.com> writes: > and came away with the feeling that that this page has become > somewhat useless for people who are really new to Org. > > Can we have a discussion here on how this path should look like? > When you came to Org-mode as a newby, what were the three resources > that really made an impression on by being accessible and > providing feel and promise for digging deeper?