From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Re: Basic orgmode tutorial Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:33:20 +0100 Message-ID: References: <10AEC517-6BBA-4436-B567-D1D5AB6A78C8@gmail.com> <20100323220701.GE18401@thinkpad.adamsinfoserv.com> <0C588648-02E7-4C91-B66F-F994DBDB0433@gmail.com> <20100324171848.GK16785@thinkpad.adamsinfoserv.com> <87ocidzgfx.fsf@stats.ox.ac.uk> <87pr2tscr5.fsf@mean.albasani.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NuhZM-0007m2-5m for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 03:33:32 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34896 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NuhZI-0007kv-Vm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 03:33:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuhZF-0004eY-KQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 03:33:28 -0400 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]:47953) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuhZE-0004eO-Sp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 03:33:25 -0400 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so12873bwz.26 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:33:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87pr2tscr5.fsf@mean.albasani.net> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Memnon Anon Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Mar 24, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Memnon Anon wrote: > Dan Davison writes: > >> Yes, exactly. I want to counter some of the recent pessimism on this >> topic. Org-mode is very attractive to people in its own right, and >> as it >> happens it is implemented in emacs. I know one person who has used >> org-mode constantly for a couple of years now, purely for the >> agenda and >> todo lists, without ever aquiring any ability or interest in using >> emacs >> per se. She knows the keys to change TODO states, set timestamps and >> call up the agenda and that was all that was needed. Although only >> scraping the surface of what org-mode can do, the fact that someone >> who >> otherwise only uses MS Word and firefox is still using org-mode after >> two years says something *extremely* positive about org-mode. > [...] >> That also brings up the question of org-CUA-compatible -- would >> that be >> set in this putative newbie org configuration? > [...] >> So what I am saying is that org-mode is sufficiently attractive >> that we >> should expect non-emacs users to be attracted to it, and that we >> should >> be optimistic about the ability of such people to start using >> org-mode. And that yes, we need to work on the configuration for >> them. > > I recently installed emacs for a co-student of mine, just to give her > the ability to have the outline. She struggled with organizing her > notes > on her research (first semester ;), so I suggested to her to have a > look > at the outline tools out there; after she tried some of the solutions > available, I finally showed her orgmode, and she really chose org. > Reason: Cleaner look, less clutter: Some of the menus in the other > programs were overwhelming for her and org offered her exactly what > she > wanted. She is a student with average computer/software knowledge: > Watch > movies, use firefox, use openoffice. And thats it. > > I will ask her for feedback, I haven't spoken to her lately. > > One thing, however, I noticed at once: > I installed for her the official emacs windows build, and the > inconsistent > mouse usage was a problem. Inconsistent not in itself, just > different to > what she learned and expects how mouse, copy and paste, selecting text > etc. works. It broke her pattern of usage, and it was interesting to > see, how confusing that is from an outside perspective. ;). > > I wish I had chosen Lennart Borgmanns Built, which, I guess - I am on > linux only, comes with a more sensible set of preconfigurations. > > Memnon > > ... > > P.S.: Crazy idea: Would it be possible to use the mouse to move > Headlines like M-up/M-down does? I do not understand it, but > again > and again I see computerusers cherishing their beloved rodent. > Even heavy computer users find it hard to remember keystrokes. > Or they are just unwilling to invest the effort ... I believe that org-mouse.el might have some limited support for this. - Carsten