Re: Re: S-Tab strange behavour

[Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>]

On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Ivan Vanyushkin wrote:

> On 02.02.2010 23:25, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>> If the previous command was anything else,
>> then Org Mode has no idea whether the buffer or its visibility has
>> changed since the last-executed S-Tab, since it cannot know which
>> other commands will affect buffer visibility and which will not.
>
> I think, only Org changes visibility, so it can track current state.

No, there are other commands outside Org that are changing  
visibility.  Also, Org creates "strange" visibillity states with  
sparse trees etc.  Furthermore, I in fact like that it is agnostic of  
the current visibility.  Then I can create a state by quickly pressing  
TAB or S-TAB 1, 2, or three times - without even looking.

- Carsten


>
>
>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Ivan  
>> Vanyushkin<vanav@vanav.com.ua>  wrote:
>>> There is org-startup-folded that controls startup state, so org- 
>>> mode should
>>> know it.
>>>
>>> Also S-Tab forgets state even in the middle of document. Key  
>>> presses to
>>> reproduce:
>>>
>>> 1) S-Tab - OVERVIEW
>>> 2) S-Tab - CONTENTS
>>> 3) C-G (or any other)
>>> 4) S-Tab - OVERVIEW (expected: SHOW ALL)
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> 1) S-Tab - OVERVIEW
>>> 3) C-G (or any other)
>>> 4) S-Tab - OVERVIEW (nothing changed! expected: CONTENTS)
>>>
>>> Is it by design? Why?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02.02.2010 21:40, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it is possible in general to know the startup state  
>>>> of a
>>>> file. Files with a #+STARTUP line may be an execption.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Ivan  
>>>> Vanyushkin<vanav@vanav.com.ua>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>
>>>>> On initial file opening, S-<TAB>    cycles through
>>>>> 1) OVERVIEW ->    2) CONTENTS ->    3) SHOW ALL
>>>>> not depending on current state of document.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, if (as default) document is in OVERVIEW state, first press
>>>>> _does nothing_ (switch to OVERVIEW again). Expected: CONTENTS.
>>>>>
>>>>> If document initially "#+STARTUP: content", then first press  
>>>>> switches it
>>>>> back to OVERVIEW. Expected: SHOW ALL.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, S-Tab (and maybe Tab) doesn't use context state when start  
>>>>> cycling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it correct and why?
>>>>>
>>>>> org-version 6.21 and 6.34c
>>>>> Emacs 23.1.1
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your answer!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ivan Vanyushkin - Vanav.
>
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- Carsten