From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Thomas S. Dye" Subject: Re: Basic orgmode tutorial Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 12:07:19 -1000 Message-ID: References: <10AEC517-6BBA-4436-B567-D1D5AB6A78C8@gmail.com> <20100323220701.GE18401@thinkpad.adamsinfoserv.com> <0C588648-02E7-4C91-B66F-F994DBDB0433@gmail.com> <20100324171848.GK16785@thinkpad.adamsinfoserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1650271999==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O0MMQ-0004re-SW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:07:34 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48111 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O0MML-0004jl-Vu for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:07:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O0MMI-0003rX-Ue for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:07:29 -0400 Received: from oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com ([66.147.249.254]:39519 helo=outbound-mail-360.bluehost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O0MMI-0003qw-HO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:07:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20100324171848.GK16785@thinkpad.adamsinfoserv.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Russell Adams Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============1650271999== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-485863240 --Apple-Mail-15-485863240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:18 AM, Russell Adams wrote: > Carsten, > > I discussed this with a few users off an on. > > In the manual there are items required to setup org, keybindings, etc. > > The idea would be to include: > > - An Agenda file, which loads by default > - Init file which > - Preconfigured keybindings > - Remember keybinding for basic todo to agenda file > - Configured auto-mode-alist > - Recommended Global key maps > > They are all basic items to an experienced emacs user, but a new user > doesn't understand why they have to go edit the config file and make > changes. Their emphasis is on they want to run "Org-mode", not "Emacs > with Org-mode". > > Perhaps an install script which sets the file association for .org in > whatever OS they are installing to. Option icon to load straight to > agenda view... > > Just a few idea that have been bantered around, I suspect all of those > could be performed with a script as opposed to redistributing emacs. > > Thanks. > > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:52:41AM +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: >> Hi Russel, >> >> this is also a valuable idea. There are two avenues in this >> direction. >> >> 1. Make the org-mode defaults already set all this stuff up. >> >> 2. Offer a blind set of configurations and tell users, >> if you don' know nothing yet, use these. >> >> >> In either case, what would the improved defaults be that >> help beginners get a better start? >> >> - Carsten >> >> On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Russell Adams wrote: >> >>> The idea of a tutorial is great, but has anyone considered a >>> pre-configured out-of-the-box Org customized Emacs distribution? >>> >>> I've had to help several new users get things like basic agenda, >>> emacs >>> initialization, and remember templates setup and it seemed very >>> repetitive. >>> >>> The Emacs learning curve really holds back Org adoption in that >>> sense, >>> they can't just open Emacs and use Org immediately as anything other >>> than an outline editor. >>> >>> Perhaps just a script to enact default customizations, that the >>> tutorial could then build upon? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 07:59:11PM +0100, Alexander Poslavsky wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> lately there is some talk about a basic org-mode tutorial. >>>> Something >>>> simpler then the documentation, that will help a person new to >>>> emacs >>>> and org-mode start using org. I would like to put the following on >>>> worg, if people would think something like this would fit the bill. >>>> What do you think? If the response is positive then I would add >>>> more >>>> chapters to it. >>>> >>>> greetings, >>>> >>>> alex >>>> >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com >>> >>> PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ >>> >>> Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> - Carsten >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com > > PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ > > Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode Aloha all, A possible contribution to this thread, org-check.org, is now available on Worg: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/examples/org-check.php This is a stub for a file that uses Org-babel to execute functions that query various configuration parameters and report back results in a table. Eric Schulte generously provided technical assistance. The table is organized by task, e.g. preview latex, with various configuration topics and their tests under each task. Here is an example of the anticipated use-case: the new user who wants to preview latex, but gets no results when following the manual instruction, can refresh the org-check table to see if the system has the necessary software, paths to the software on exec-path, and the value of the :scale property. Results are reported as pass/fail, or some other easy-to-interpret value. My ability to augment the file and to test it on different architectures is limited (as is Eric's ability to offer me technical assistance) and I'm hoping that others on the list will find the idea worthwhile and help out. The file org-check.org is available on github: http://github.com/tsdye/org-check and this link can be found on Worg, as well. Comments, contributions, criticisms, and suggestions are all welcome. All the best, Tom --Apple-Mail-15-485863240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mar 24, 2010, = at 7:18 AM, Russell Adams wrote:

Carsten,

I discussed this with a few users off = an on.

In the manual there are items required to setup org, = keybindings, etc.

The idea would be to include:

- An = Agenda file, which loads by default
- Init file which
=   - Preconfigured keybindings
  - Remember = keybinding for basic todo to agenda file
  - Configured = auto-mode-alist
  - Recommended Global key = maps

They are all basic items to an experienced emacs user, but a = new user
doesn't understand why they have to go edit the config file = and make
changes. Their emphasis is on they want to run "Org-mode", = not "Emacs
with Org-mode".

Perhaps an install script which = sets the file association for .org in
whatever OS they are installing = to. Option icon to load straight to
agenda view...

Just a few = idea that have been bantered around, I suspect all of those
could be = performed with a script as opposed to redistributing = emacs.

Thanks.


On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:52:41AM = +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote:
Hi = Russel,

this is also a = valuable idea.  There are two avenues in this = direction.

1. Make the = org-mode defaults already set all this stuff = up.

2. Offer a blind set of configurations and tell = users,
  if you = don' know nothing yet, use these.


In either case, = what would the improved defaults be that
help beginners get a better = start?

- = Carsten

On Mar 23, = 2010, at 11:07 PM, Russell Adams wrote:

The idea of a tutorial is great, but has anyone considered = a
pre-configured out-of-the-box Org customized Emacs = distribution?

I've had to help several new = users get things like basic agenda, = emacs
initialization, and remember templates setup and it seemed = very
repetitive.

The Emacs learning curve really = holds back Org adoption in that = sense,
they can't just open Emacs and use Org immediately as = anything other
than an outline = editor.

Perhaps just a script to enact = default customizations, that = the
tutorial could then build = upon?

Thanks.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at = 07:59:11PM +0100, Alexander Poslavsky = wrote:
Hello,

lately = there is some talk about a basic org-mode tutorial. Something =
simpler = then the documentation, that will help a person new to emacs =
and = org-mode start using org. I would like to put the following on =
worg, = if people would think something like this would fit the bill. =
What = do you think? If the response is positive then I would add more =
chapters= to it.

greetings,

alex



_______________________________________________
Emacs-orgmode mailing = list
Please = use `Reply All' to send replies to the = list.
Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
http://lists.= gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode



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Russell Adams =             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;  RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com

PGP Key ID: =     0x1160DCB3 =           http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/

Fingerprint: =    1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F  66E8 1154 E018 1160 = DCB3


_______________________________________________
Emacs-orgmode mailing = list
Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the = list.
Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
http://lists.= gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode

- = Carsten





_______________________________________________
Emacs-orgmode mailing = list
Please use `Reply All' to = send replies to the list.
Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
http://lists.= gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode



-----------------------------------= -------------------------------
Russell Adams =             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;  RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com
PGP Key ID:     0x1160DCB3 =           http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/
Fingerprint:    1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F  66E8 = 1154 E018 1160 = DCB3


_______________________________________________
Emacs-o= rgmode mailing list
Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the = list.
Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
http://= lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
<= br>
Aloha all,

A possible contribution to = this thread, org-check.org, is now available on Worg:
=

This is a stub for a file that uses Org-babel to = execute functions that query various configuration parameters and report = back results in a table.  Eric Schulte generously provided = technical assistance.

The table is organized by = task, e.g. preview latex, with various configuration topics and their = tests under each task.  

Here is an = example of the anticipated use-case: the new user who wants to preview = latex, but gets no results when following the manual instruction, can = refresh the org-check table to see if the system has the necessary = software, paths to the software on exec-path, and the value of the = :scale property.  Results are reported as pass/fail, or some other = easy-to-interpret value.

My ability to augment = the file and to test it on different architectures is limited (as is = Eric's ability to offer me technical assistance) and I'm hoping that = others on the list will find the idea worthwhile and help out.  The = file org-check.org is available on github:
and this link can be found on Worg, as = well.

Comments, contributions, criticisms, and = suggestions are all welcome.

All the = best,
Tom
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