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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at>,
	emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Karl Voit <news2042@Karl-Voit.at>
Subject: Re: Changed list indentation behavior: how to revert?
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 08:38:28 +0300
Message-ID: <X7C+1LyTrp4C472E@protected.rcdrun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <s0eima74l18.fsf@gmail.com>

* David Rogers <davidandrewrogers@gmail.com> [2020-11-15 01:44]:
> Hello
> 
> After reading several of the responses to this, I’ve started to wonder: Is
> electric-indent-mode broken for everybody because it contains a bug or
> design flaw, or is electric-indent-mode working fine but simply not suitable
> for every situation?
> 
> In other words, where is the “right” place to fix this problem?

It was working in Org file automatically well and fine.

As if user decides to indent, electric-indent would help the user:

** HeadingRET

At this point below user may decide to indent:

   - First itemRET after RET
   ^
   - the new line appears here

User has to move the cursor to the point shown above for indentation
to begin. That is good as user decides it and it is text, it is not
programming language with special convention for indentation.

Electric indent mode always worked like that, including in Org mode
without any problems.

The change that is introduced in my opinion, and I did not look into
code, is changing how electric indent mode behaves specifically for
Org mode as somebody assumes that immediately after headingRET the new
lines should be indented, like if there is some special indentation
convention for Org mode.

So without user deciding to indent, it does following:

** HeadingRET
   - First line here
   
But there is no indentation convetion for Org mode of that kind that I
know.

The Org file shown on https://orgmode.org/ does not follow that type
of indenting.

Common indenting in Org mode is:

* Heading
Text
** Heading
Text
*** Heading text
Text
**** Heading
Text here
***** Heading
Text
****** Heading
Text

AND if somebody likes to indent differently electric indent mode would help.

Common indenting is not (other may tell me that I am wrong if this statement is wrong)

* Heading
  Text
** Heading
   Text
*** Heading text
    Text
**** Heading
     Text here
***** Heading
      Text
****** Heading
       Text

The above change was introduced as default to many users and is not
conveniente.

Especially not conveniente I find that I need to delete by using
backspace all the spaces inserted that I did not want after pressing
RET after inserting heading.

Some people will insert ONLY heading as a test without any text.


    



  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-15  5:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-13 17:30 Karl Voit
2020-11-13 21:10 ` Gustavo Barros
2020-11-13 21:38   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-14  3:02     ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-13 21:47   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-13 22:13     ` Gustavo Barros
2020-11-13 22:21       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-14 17:28         ` Diego Zamboni
2020-11-14 19:10           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-15 12:44             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-11-15 13:26               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-15 21:59                 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-11-15 22:15                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-16  7:15                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-16  6:26               ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-14 10:45   ` Diego Zamboni
2020-11-13 21:31 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-14 22:43 ` David Rogers
2020-11-15  5:38   ` Jean Louis [this message]
2020-11-15  7:47     ` David Rogers
2020-11-15  8:54       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-15 10:37       ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-15 11:42         ` Tim Cross
2020-11-15 11:48         ` Gustavo Barros
2020-11-15 11:58           ` Detlef Steuer
2020-11-15 12:09           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-15 14:50             ` Gustavo Barros
2020-11-15 15:11               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-15 10:44       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-15 11:22         ` Detlef Steuer
2020-11-15 14:03           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-11-16  5:24             ` Kyle Meyer
2020-11-16  6:41               ` Tim Cross
2020-11-16  7:15                 ` Tim Cross
2020-11-16 11:21                   ` Gustavo Barros
2020-11-16 23:24                     ` T.F. Torrey
2020-11-17  1:21                       ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-17  7:01                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-17  7:48                       ` Michal Politowski
2020-11-19  4:17                     ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-11-16  8:06                 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-11-16 12:10                 ` Bill Burdick
2020-11-16  6:54               ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-16  7:12                 ` Tim Cross
2020-11-17  4:03                   ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-17  5:25                     ` Tim Cross
2020-11-17 13:15                       ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-16  7:01               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-16  7:22                 ` Tim Cross
2020-11-16 16:04                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-16 16:26                     ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-16 18:12                       ` gyro funch
2020-11-16 18:48                         ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-16 19:41                           ` Bill Burdick
2020-11-16 19:56                             ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-16 21:50                             ` Tim Cross
2020-11-16 23:01                               ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-16 21:44                           ` Tim Cross
2020-11-16 18:20                       ` gyro funch
2020-11-16 20:56                       ` Tim Cross
2020-11-16 21:35                         ` Bill Burdick
2020-11-16 22:44                         ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-16 23:55                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-17  9:05                           ` Stefan Nobis
2020-11-17  9:15                             ` Loris Bennett
2020-11-17  9:32                             ` Diego Zamboni
2020-11-17 14:29                             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-17 16:25                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-11-16 23:39                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-16 21:35                     ` Tim Cross
2020-11-17  0:11                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-17  8:45                         ` Detlef Steuer
2020-11-17  9:41                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-17 15:33                     ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-16 13:00                 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-11-16 16:10                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide

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