From: Jean Louis <email@example.com> To: Gustavo Barros <firstname.lastname@example.org> Cc: Greg Minshall <email@example.com>, David Rogers <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at>, email@example.com, Karl Voit <news2042@Karl-Voit.at> Subject: Re: Changed list indentation behavior: how to revert? Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 18:11:24 +0300 Message-ID: <X7FFHNMcclY0U4R4@protected.rcdrun.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> * Gustavo Barros <email@example.com> [2020-11-15 17:51]: > > I do, thank you for reminder. Us in plural are sometimes teachers or > > mentors who educate other people who are supposed to edit Org files in > > most simple manner, and those people will never be able to write to > > this list to find out which option where, not even to know about > > indentation things. When default is introduced then all people > > following an educator has to turn off default. They will not even know > > why. One default introduced can cause butterfly effect. > > > > Also a fellow teacher here. As you, I'm trying to transmit this information > to you and others, because I find it useful. Nobody needs to use `M-RET', > `C-RET' and `C-j'. You are right, I am totally in agreement that it is useful as a feature. In general I am using electric-indent mode. Though that it is introduced by default is arguable what can be seen in responses here. > > General design of user interface should not conquer their habits > > unless substantial amount of users have demanded it so. > > And how exactly would maintainers know that? Do you claim to be speaking on > their (substantial amount of users) behalf? In this specific case it is easy to know what was the condition before and what is condition after introduction of that new feature. Somebody offered reasoning and I have seen 3-4 people declaring that function works OK. Super fine. But that is not reasoning enough to change some default behavior of a program for maybe hundreds of thousands of users. Better reasoning could be to ask on the mailing list what people think about it and how they are using indentation as that way more information may be obtained if such or any new feature would be more useful or contraproductive for users. You ask them. > Please, don't confuse. I said you should *not* use (the command) > `org-indent-region' if you were systematically manually overriding > indentation defaults. I recommended to set the user option > `org-adapt-indentation' to nil, which seems to be the desired value > for most of the manifestations on this thread. Maybe I made a mistake, as that is exactly what I did set. I am using Org for some years, so of course it came to me very surprising. Person who just start using it recently with such defaults should rarely find it awkward as person learns about it and assumes it is how it is.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-11-15 19:49 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2020-11-13 17:30 Karl Voit 2020-11-13 21:10 ` Gustavo Barros 2020-11-13 21:38 ` Jean Louis 2020-11-14 3:02 ` Greg Minshall 2020-11-13 21:47 ` Jean Louis 2020-11-13 22:13 ` Gustavo Barros 2020-11-13 22:21 ` Jean Louis 2020-11-14 17:28 ` Diego Zamboni 2020-11-14 19:10 ` Jean Louis 2020-11-15 12:44 ` Kévin Le Gouguec 2020-11-15 13:26 ` Jean Louis 2020-11-15 21:59 ` Kévin Le Gouguec 2020-11-15 22:15 ` Jean Louis 2020-11-16 7:15 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2020-11-16 6:26 ` Greg Minshall 2020-11-14 10:45 ` Diego Zamboni 2020-11-13 21:31 ` Jean Louis 2020-11-14 22:43 ` David Rogers 2020-11-15 5:38 ` Jean Louis 2020-11-15 7:47 ` David Rogers 2020-11-15 8:54 ` Jean Louis 2020-11-15 10:37 ` Greg Minshall 2020-11-15 11:42 ` Tim Cross 2020-11-15 11:48 ` Gustavo Barros 2020-11-15 11:58 ` Detlef Steuer 2020-11-15 12:09 ` Jean Louis 2020-11-15 14:50 ` Gustavo Barros 2020-11-15 15:11 ` Jean Louis [this message] 2020-11-15 10:44 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2020-11-15 11:22 ` Detlef Steuer 2020-11-15 14:03 ` Kévin Le Gouguec 2020-11-16 5:24 ` Kyle Meyer 2020-11-16 6:41 ` Tim Cross 2020-11-16 7:15 ` Tim Cross 2020-11-16 11:21 ` Gustavo Barros 2020-11-16 23:24 ` T.F. Torrey 2020-11-17 1:21 ` Tom Gillespie 2020-11-17 7:01 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2020-11-17 7:48 ` Michal Politowski 2020-11-19 4:17 ` Marcel Ventosa 2020-11-16 8:06 ` Kévin Le Gouguec 2020-11-16 12:10 ` Bill Burdick 2020-11-16 6:54 ` Greg Minshall 2020-11-16 7:12 ` Tim Cross 2020-11-17 4:03 ` Greg Minshall 2020-11-17 5:25 ` Tim Cross 2020-11-17 13:15 ` Greg Minshall 2020-11-16 7:01 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2020-11-16 7:22 ` Tim Cross 2020-11-16 16:04 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2020-11-16 16:26 ` Tom Gillespie 2020-11-16 18:12 ` gyro funch 2020-11-16 18:48 ` Tom Gillespie 2020-11-16 19:41 ` Bill Burdick 2020-11-16 19:56 ` Tom Gillespie 2020-11-16 21:50 ` Tim Cross 2020-11-16 23:01 ` Tom Gillespie 2020-11-16 21:44 ` Tim Cross 2020-11-16 18:20 ` gyro funch 2020-11-16 20:56 ` Tim Cross 2020-11-16 21:35 ` Bill Burdick 2020-11-16 22:44 ` Tom Gillespie 2020-11-16 23:55 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2020-11-17 9:05 ` Stefan Nobis 2020-11-17 9:15 ` Loris Bennett 2020-11-17 9:32 ` Diego Zamboni 2020-11-17 14:29 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2020-11-17 16:25 ` Robert Pluim 2020-11-16 23:39 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2020-11-16 21:35 ` Tim Cross 2020-11-17 0:11 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2020-11-17 8:45 ` Detlef Steuer 2020-11-17 9:41 ` Jean Louis 2020-11-17 15:33 ` Maxim Nikulin 2020-11-16 13:00 ` Uwe Brauer 2020-11-16 16:10 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
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