From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id cJOtOo5R1l9JdAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 17:38:22 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id KMdrNo5R1l+ddwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 17:38:22 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D415D9403A7 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 17:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:55398 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koVK8-0000eA-Km for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 12:38:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56042) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koVIx-0008N2-5b for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 12:37:07 -0500 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:47057) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koVIu-0002k7-Sk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 12:37:06 -0500 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.34.185]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000308F7.000000005FD6513F.00004E50; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 10:37:02 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 19:52:06 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: TRS-80 Subject: Re: Org Capture Menu cannot be fully viewed Message-ID: References: <87y2i2ttl7.fsf@gmail.com> <1a4f7d7b925c853e381437ebc5fa1502@isnotmyreal.name> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1a4f7d7b925c853e381437ebc5fa1502@isnotmyreal.name> User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.80 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D415D9403A7 X-Spam-Score: -1.80 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: V0+PUXVyrRzO * TRS-80 [2020-12-13 07:31]: > I am beginning to suspect you have bigger data and more options than fit > comfortably into a capture template. I could be wrong, but in my mind > at least, the idea of capture templates is to quickly store small ideas, > notes, TODOs, etc. so you can go back to what you were working on in the > first place, with minimal interruption to your original train of > thought. That is really great idea and also as a built-in good as a teaching jump board for people. It obviously has to be extended to completing-read function or something better usable than the original screen made in way how BBS was made back in 1994. > As I mentioned in last mail, I think Org Properties might be more what > you might be looking for. You may or may not even need any custom Elisp > in addition to that. That is also another good concept. It also shows that Org mode wish to become relational database. > Try and just play around with that, create some heading and do > org-set-property and then enter a key and value. If you want to set a > list to choose from, you put at top of file something like: > > #+PROPERTY: Investigation_Type_ALL Site_Stabilize Heritage_Management > #+PROPERTY: District_ALL 1 2 3 > #+PROPERTY: Site_Type_ALL Domestic Funerary Water-Related Settlement That is great tool and I used it to assign Org tasks to people. Since short time I do not use it any more, as it will become more and more waste of time with the enlargement of my work. Yet it shows how people can relate headings to other imaginary objects. Later, a simple function may iterate over all headings, capture the headings and insert into different type of databases. Of course all hard coded properties have to be matched by the function as well to the other database fields. > You may need to press C-c C-c within the above to re-load and make it > live. Sad is that computer does not think about that for human. When abandoning this line #+PROPERTY: update properties... > If you like something like that, it's easy to copy blank template and > just open new one for each survey or whatever you are doing and go from > there. And then here is where Emacs and Orgmode really shine, as they > are unparalleled as note taking tools. You can include pictures, > tables, etc. headlines and lists, etc. But you probably know all that > already. Hmm, ok fine, I see you like Emacs, me too. But not as much to be blind that other ways of note taking do not exist. I would like that it shines, but is not user friendly compared to other tools. It is our beloed mode within Emacs, yet I do not see how it is unparalleled to everything else that exists. One good result of Org mode as buggy software is that many people start learning programming. The shiny software: Leo editor vs Org-mode https://leoeditor.com/emacs.html Leo programmable editor -- really inspired by Org mode, supports code execution and much better hyperlinking of elementary objects. Shines. http://leoeditor.com/ Cherrytree - hierarchical note taking application with rich text and syntax highlighting. Supports code execution like Org babel and exports to plethora of formats. Shines. https://www.giuspen.com/cherrytree/ Joplin -- shines https://joplinapp.org/ Turtleapp note taking application, shines. https://turtlapp.com/download/ Let us shine.