From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: possible bug: TAB after elipsis Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:23:14 -0600 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0092139379==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NvDFg-0003qA-Ny for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:23:20 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47457 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NvDFf-0003ne-1I for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:23:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NvDFd-0000pw-4L for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:23:18 -0400 Received: from mail-px0-f179.google.com ([209.85.216.179]:40550) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NvDFc-0000pi-IJ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:23:17 -0400 Received: by pxi9 with SMTP id 9so2298440pxi.6 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: peter.frings@agfa.com Cc: emacs-orgmode --===============0092139379== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64cce94232cd10482b76bbd --0016e64cce94232cd10482b76bbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In my limited experience, I have already encountered this and been surprised. I can see it both ways: - On one hand: technically, the lead up of asterisks and the actual text define the headline itself, as Carsten has pointed out. - On the other hand, from a user standpoint I think it would be convenient. I am not well versed in my keyboard-shortcut-fu, but I'm practicing and use M-a/e a bit. One of the reasons this behavior is a bit annoying is that M-a leads one to the spot /after/ an ellipsis. From there I want to press tab and see the headline... but no dice. I admit that I can begin to use the shortcuts specifically for navigating headlines. Learning a little at a time and so currently I don't. Anyway, my vote goes to expand it, even if technically the cursor is after the 'body' since the 'body' is represented by the ellipsis. I think once it is folded it serves only as a representation of the headline, not anything useful having to do with actual folded text anymore. John On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:38 AM, wrote: > > On 26 Mar 2010, at 07:32, Carsten Dominik wrote: > > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Anthony Lander wrote: > > > >> If the cursor is after the elipsis on a folded entry like this: > >> > >> **** Some entry...| > >> > >> pressing TAB doesn't expand the entry, or in fact, do anything useful at > all. Is it possible to get it to expand the entry, or am I missing > something? > > > > Cursor after the dots means the cursor is no longer in the headline, > > in fact it is no longer in the entry at all. > > Well, that may be technically correct, but from a UI point of view it > isn't. We're still one the same (head)_line_, no? > > Not that I find this an important issue to fix, mind you :-) > > Cheers, > Peter. > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > --0016e64cce94232cd10482b76bbd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In my limited experience, I have already encountered this and been surprise= d. I can see it both ways:

- On one hand: technically, the lead up o= f asterisks and the actual text define the headline itself, as Carsten has = pointed out.

- On the other hand, from a user standpoint I think it would be conveni= ent. I am not well versed in my keyboard-shortcut-fu, but I'm practicin= g and use M-a/e a bit. One of the reasons this behavior is a bit annoying i= s that M-a leads one to the spot /after/ an ellipsis. From there I want to = press tab and see the headline... but no dice. I admit that I can begin to = use the shortcuts specifically for navigating headlines. Learning a little = at a time and so currently I don't.

Anyway, my vote goes to expand it, even if technically the cursor is af= ter the 'body' since the 'body' is represented by the ellip= sis. I think once it is folded it serves only as a representation of the he= adline, not anything useful having to do with actual folded text anymore.

John

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:38= AM, <peter.= frings@agfa.com> wrote:

On 26 Mar 2010, at 07:32, Carsten Dominik wrote:

> On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Anthony Lander wrote:
>
>> If the cursor is after the elipsis on a folded entry like this: >>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0**** Some entry...|
>>
>> pressing TAB doesn't expand the entry, or in fact, do anything= useful at all. Is it possible to get it to expand the entry, or am I missi= ng something?
>
> Cursor after the dots means the cursor is no longer in the headline, > in fact it is no longer in the entry at all.

Well, that may be technically correct, but from a UI point of view it= isn't. We're still one the same (head)_line_, no?

Not that I find this an important issue to fix, mind you :-)

Cheers,
Peter.

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