From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id J8ueA/uWoWBEegAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 00:04:43 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id 2JJQOvqWoWBaGgAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 16 May 2021 22:04:42 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4531215B7D for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 00:04:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:54484 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1liOsL-0001Qp-Bi for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 16 May 2021 18:04:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37872) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1liOrj-0001QL-CE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 16 May 2021 18:04:03 -0400 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:44230) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1liOrh-0007ny-Gx for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 16 May 2021 18:04:03 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1liOrf-0001qU-6u for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 17 May 2021 00:03:59 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] Adjust punctuation around citations Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 00:03:53 +0200 Message-ID: References: <871raawc7j.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <4dd47d8d-5dd8-4769-7e2f-eb3438ba0b4a@mailbox.org> <87sg2orz0z.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <81051f87-a90e-56ed-7867-d6179ec1e9ad@mailbox.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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(author year) > > I've not seen that with the cases I'm familiar with (US and UK English). > > The citation would just be inside the final period of the blockquote, > so depending on style class: > > - ... ending of blockquote (Doe, 2019). > - ... ending of blockquote [doe19]. > - ... ending of blockquote.[1] > > So there would be need for any special handling. > > I mean blockquotes don't normally include quotation marks around them. > > Can you clarify the rule/situation that would use that approach? > Chicago Manual of Style 15.26: "When the source of a block quotation is given in parentheses at the end of the quotation, the opening parenthesis appears after the final punctuation mark of the quoted material. No period either precedes or follows the closing parenthesis." And the example: If you happen to be fishing, and you get a strike, and whatever it is starts off with the preliminaries of a vigorous fight; and by and by, looking down over the side through the glassy water, you see a rosy golden gleam, the mere specter of a fish, shining below in the clear depths; and when you look again a sort of glory of golden light flashes and dazzles as it circles nearer beneath and around and under the boat; . . . and you land a slim and graceful and impossibly beautiful three-foot goldfish, whose fierce and vivid yellow is touched around the edges with a violent red—when all these things happen to you, fortunate but bewildered fisherman, then you may know you have been fishing in the Galapagos Islands and have taken a Golden Grouper. (Pinchot 1930, 123) Seems to be the same in MLA and APA by the way: https://writingcenter.uagc.edu/block-quotations Denis