From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: tsd@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) Subject: Re: Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 07:18:40 -1000 Message-ID: References: <20cf303dd274a4243904a6ef94c1@google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:45119) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QcKtB-0006ER-Uh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:18:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QcKt9-0002Bm-PG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:18:53 -0400 Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com ([69.89.21.8]:57594) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QcKt8-0002BR-RD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:18:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20cf303dd274a4243904a6ef94c1@google.com> (chris m. malone's message of "Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:30:28 +0000") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: chris.m.malone@gmail.com Cc: news1142@karl-voit.at, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Aloha Chris, The only one I've written in Org-mode with collaborators was with some fellow Org-mode users. We shared the .org and .bib files in a git repository.=20 I agree that the number of Org-mode users out there limits one's ability to collaborate on projects written in Org-mode. Tom chris.m.malone@gmail.com writes: > Hi Tom, > > I've seen many of the examples you've added to the mailing list and > worg. I also enjoy using Org-mode for writing my own documents and > webpages -=20=20 > currently I'm using it to write my Ph.D. dissertation. > > I'm curious how you work on Org-mode papers for publication with > collaborators? In particular, do all of your collaborators know and > use Org-mode themselves? Our current method is just to use ordinary > LaTeX files in a CVS repository for collaboration. I think it would > be difficult to get my collaborators to all use Org-mode - even > though they all use emacs. Org-mode has quite a bit of a learning > curve that they probably don't have the time or patience to learn > currently. > > Chris > > On Jun 30, 2011 2:35am, "Thomas S. Dye" wrote: >> Aloha Karl, > > > >> I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much > >> pleasure. > > > >> I've been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible > >> research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my > >> case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass > >> results between code blocks written in different languages. I can't do > >> these things in AucTeX. > > > >> At first, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and > >> LaTeX. I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little things > >> work right. I'm still not able to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like > >> from within Org-mode, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently > >> that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode. > >> The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. I'm really liking it as an > >> authoring environment. > > > >> All the best, > >> Tom > > > > > >> Karl Voit writes: > > > >> > * Thomas S. Dye tsd@tsdye.com> wrote: > >> >> Aloha Rafael, > >> > > >> > Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of > >> > view. > >> > > >> > First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now > >> > and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners. > >> > > >> >> Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find > >> >> Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in >> indirect > >> >> buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that > >> >> functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files. > >> > > >> > I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that > >> > you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via > >> > LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode. > >> > > >> > On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written > >> > very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to > >> > add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting > >> > this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too > >> > and so forth. > >> > > >> > In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick > >> > to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune > >> > because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for > >> > LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and > >> > RefTeX). > >> > > >> > I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents, > >> > where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part > >> > to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document > >> > content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for > >> > writing documents that end up being great PDFs. > >> > > >> > But this is just my point of view. > > > >> -- > >> Thomas S. Dye > >> http://www.tsdye.com > > > > Hi Tom,I've seen many of the examples you've added to the mailing= list and worg. I also enjoy using Org-mode for writing my own documents a= nd webpages - currently I'm using it to write my Ph.D. dissertation.I&#= 39;m curious how you work on Org-mode papers for publication with collabora= tors? In particular, do all of your collaborators know and use Org-mode th= emselves? Our current method is just to use ordinary LaTeX files in a CVS = repository for collaboration. I think it would be difficult to get my coll= aborators to all use Org-mode - even though they all use emacs. Org-mode h= as quite a bit of a learning curve that they probably don't have the ti= me or patience to learn currently.ChrisOn Jun 30, 2011 2:35am, "Thomas S. D= ye" wrote:> Aloha Karl,> > > > I agree that AucTeX is aweso= me. =C2=A0I use it every day at work with much> > pleasure.> > > > I've= been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible> > research, wh= ere the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. =C2=A0In my> > case, = this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass> > results= between code blocks written in different languages. =C2=A0I can't do> = > these things in AucTeX.> > > > At first, like you, I was suspicious of ad= ding a layer between me and> > LaTeX. =C2=A0I was impatient with figuring o= ut how to make the little things> > work right. =C2=A0I'm still not abl= e to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like> > from within Org-mode, but I= 've managed to close the gap sufficiently> > that my last four publicat= ions were authored completely with Org-mode.> > The one I'm working on = now is Org-mode, too. =C2=A0I'm really liking it as an> > authoring env= ironment.> > > > All the best,> > Tom> > > > > > Karl Voit writes:> > > > = > * Thomas S. Dye tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:> > >> Aloha Rafael,> > >> > > Sorry= , I thought you might as well be interested in my point of> > > view.> > >>= > > First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now> >= > and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners.> > >> > >> Is there= a reason not to have everything in one .org file? =C2=A0I find> > >> Org-m= ode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in indirect> > = >> buffers very convenient, even for long documents. =C2=A0For my work, tha= t> > >> functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files.> > >> > > I did no= t follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that> > > you want t= o replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via> > > LaTeX/PDF-export = functionality of Org-mode.> > >> > > On the one hand, I do agree that (simp= le) PDF documents are written> > > very easily with Org-mode. But on the ot= her hand you are going to> > > add just another layer. This means that you = probably end up wanting> > > this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other han= dy LaTeX feature too> > > and so forth.> > >> > > In my point of view, if y= ou leave the basic stuff, you should stick> > > to LaTeX. And I do have goo= d news to you: You are very fortune> > > because Emacs does have the IMHO m= ost advanced editor support for> > > LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensi= ons like preview-latex and> > > RefTeX).> > >> > > I plan to use Org-mode a= s an outline tool for larger documents,> > > where the basic structure evol= ves, keywords are moved from one part> > > to the other. But before I start= to write the detailed document> > > content, I move to AucTeX, having the = great possibilities for> > > writing documents that end up being great PDFs= .> > >> > > But this is just my point of view.> > > > --> > Thomas S. Dye> = > http://www.tsdye.com> > > --=20 Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com