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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Daniele Nicolodi Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=codeisgreat-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=R7pN1jn5; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.01 X-TUID: 99XJPZT5mGNF Jean Louis writes: >> I was completely unaware of this. I also used to report bugs via >> emacs' report-emacs-bug fascility. >> >> Moreover, I am building emacs from `master' everyday and assuming >> everything is latest on this. If Org is a different beast then >> probably we should do two things: >> >> 1. Remove Org from built-in packages and distribute only via ELPA > > No, please that would be detrimental. Please note how many users use > Org who do not have Internet or possibility to update Org. Don't > forget that Emacs run on multi user computers. > > Please see example here of who is using Debian GNU/Linux: > https://www.debian.org/users/ > > I hope you may see many educational institutions and understand that > not every computer may be connected to Internet but many will be used > by multiple users. I completely agree with you. It is important to ship Org along with Emacs. I was replying to the thought process that insists that org cannot follow the emacs process. Which was kind of a setback to me. >> > I don't think anyone here really looks into bugs reported to the >> > Emacs debbugs instance: time is limited and the version of Org >> > distributed with Emacs is very often not the most current one, thus >> > the bug reports may anyhow not be relevant anyhow. > > Those who do not have time, do not have. > > There are those who do have time and who will help users. Yes. This one. Like it.