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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.90 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.net header.s=badeba3b8450 header.b=Abe0V4zL; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=caramail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D2F9894014B X-Spam-Score: -1.90 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: BfgWZplJB9FF I have also seen that the following command puts all options on same line as "Site_Type:", buts puts "Funerary" on a new line. "Site_Type: %^{Site_Type: |default|Domestic|Resource|Transportation| Funerary|Non-Domestic|Archaeological|Rock Art|Water-Related}\n" > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 5:30 AM > From: "TRS-80" > To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Org Capture Menu cannot be fully viewed > > On 2020-12-12 22:49, pietru@caramail.com wrote: > > TRS-80 wrote: > >> > >> Are there any more to these templates you did not show? > >> > >> Because, (and unless I am missing something) what I see are > >> essentially > >> all the same (and quite simple). You would end up with something lik= e > >> the following in your target file (with the cursor ending up at the > >> x): > > > > It was an example for long agenda option. Wanted to send a basic one > > without the details that could bother you. The real one will have > > information regarding Site_Type [Domestic, Funerary, Water-Related, > > Settlement]. But we don't have the things in org though. > > It's no bother. In fact I am already thinking ahead as to the structure > of the data, which is the most important consideration. Choice of > tool(s) should flow from that, and also from the desired workflow, > instead of the other way around. > > Just so you know, you /could/ have the things in Org, if you wanted to > (or even in a separate plain text file, and use that as input for your > narrowing selection list). Maybe they change, or there are other > reasons, but you could have the options in a list to choose from. This > sort of thing reduce typos and errors. You could limit to such list > strictly, or not (the latter allowing flexibility to add things on the > fly). > > >> If all my assumptions above are true, I think you would probably be > >> better served with a simple completing-read (or similar) function to > >> select the "Investigation Type" from a list and then simply insert > >> that > >> along with a timestamp. Which it will take you longer to reply to > >> this > >> email and confirm than it would take me to write such a function. :) > > > > Yes, I know about " %^{Investigation Type: |Site > > Stabilization|Heritage Management|Environment Research} %?\n" > > I am beginning to suspect you have bigger data and more options than fit > comfortably into a capture template. I could be wrong, but in my mind > at least, the idea of capture templates is to quickly store small ideas, > notes, TODOs, etc. so you can go back to what you were working on in the > first place, with minimal interruption to your original train of > thought. > > > Data can then be parsed into database once we get tho data files at > > home > > base. > > True, however well designed "capture" mechanism (in reality, data > structure) will make this job much easier. > > > What sort of thing better than template capture? My basic idea was to > > see > > what org tools are available, see what kind of problems me get to, > > without > > asking too much things specific to us. We can then work through thing= s > > ourselves. Perhaps share them with some other organisations. > > As I mentioned in last mail, I think Org Properties might be more what > you might be looking for. You may or may not even need any custom Elisp > in addition to that. > > >> [1] https://orgmode.org/manual/Properties-and-Columns.html > > Try and just play around with that, create some heading and do > org-set-property and then enter a key and value. If you want to set a > list to choose from, you put at top of file something like: > > #+PROPERTY: Investigation_Type_ALL Site_Stabilize Heritage_Management > #+PROPERTY: District_ALL 1 2 3 > #+PROPERTY: Site_Type_ALL Domestic Funerary Water-Related Settlement > [...] > > You may need to press C-c C-c within the above to re-load and make it > live. > > If you like something like that, it's easy to copy blank template and > just open new one for each survey or whatever you are doing and go from > there. And then here is where Emacs and Orgmode really shine, as they > are unparalleled as note taking tools. You can include pictures, > tables, etc. headlines and lists, etc. But you probably know all that > already. > > Cheers, > TRS-80 > >