* [babel] Future of Org-babel? @ 2010-05-05 22:35 Nathan Neff 2010-05-06 1:57 ` Xiao-Yong Jin 2010-05-06 14:59 ` Eric Schulte 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Nathan Neff @ 2010-05-05 22:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Guys, Is there a project/TODO/Wish list for Org-babel? I'd like to give a presentation on Org-babel at the Strange Loop conference in St. Louis in October. http://strangeloop2010.com/ The Strange Loop conference attracted a lot of very smart people that I think would be interested in contributing to Org-babel, particularly because it's a young project. There's plenty more languages that Org-babel could support, so that's one area that I could mention needs help. But, I'd like to point out some of the advanced/aim-for-the-sky ideas that you guys have for Org-babel -- that would really spark some interest in the crowd. What would you say are the most aggressive / cool features that you're considering for Org-babel? Thanks, --Nate ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Future of Org-babel? 2010-05-05 22:35 [babel] Future of Org-babel? Nathan Neff @ 2010-05-06 1:57 ` Xiao-Yong Jin 2010-05-06 15:00 ` Eric Schulte 2010-05-06 14:59 ` Eric Schulte 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Xiao-Yong Jin @ 2010-05-06 1:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On Wed, 5 May 2010 17:35:18 -0500, Nathan Neff wrote: > Guys, > Is there a project/TODO/Wish list for Org-babel? > I'd like to give a presentation on Org-babel at the Strange Loop > conference in St. Louis > in October. > http://strangeloop2010.com/ > The Strange Loop conference attracted a lot of very smart people that > I think would > be interested in contributing to Org-babel, particularly because it's > a young project. > There's plenty more languages that Org-babel could support, so that's > one area that > I could mention needs help. > But, I'd like to point out some of the advanced/aim-for-the-sky ideas > that you guys have > for Org-babel -- that would really spark some interest in the crowd. > What would you say are the most aggressive / cool features that you're > considering for Org-babel? I am thinking of something similar to the 'notebook' interface in Mathematica. We can present data, code and analysis results in a consistent and structured way, thanks to org-mode. And in addition, we can use all kinds of different languages that org-babel supports, automatically generates tables and graphs on the fly as we execute different code blocks. This requires a clean and easy way to propagating information through different languages in org-babel. In this sense, org-babel can be an advanced interface of comint-mode, or even replace it. Imagine running several different inferior interpreters, like shell, python, haskell, gnuplot, (i)maxima, octave and etc, but variables can be shared between these processes, and all the code and extra texts are stored in one org-mode file, which is also the only file you have to work on. This is my dream about org-babel. Hope it comes true, someday. > Thanks, > --Nate Thanks, Xiao-Yong -- J c/* __o/* X <\ * (__ Y */\ < ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Future of Org-babel? 2010-05-06 1:57 ` Xiao-Yong Jin @ 2010-05-06 15:00 ` Eric Schulte 2010-05-06 17:00 ` Erik Iverson 2010-05-08 13:15 ` Eric Schulte 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2010-05-06 15:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Thanks for the idea! Xiao-Yong Jin <xj2106@columbia.edu> writes: [...] > I am thinking of something similar to the 'notebook' > interface in Mathematica. We can present data, code and > analysis results in a consistent and structured way, thanks > to org-mode. Yes, this is a great idea. This has been voiced before in reference to Sage[1] a python mathematical "notebook" which allows for interactive editing. I think of it as the interactive alternative to static code blocks in Org-mode files, sort of a REPL for Org-babel. I'm not sure what the actual interface would look like or feel like, and I'd love to hear suggestions. > And in addition, we can use all kinds of different languages that > org-babel supports, automatically generates tables and graphs on the > fly as we execute different code blocks. This requires a clean and > easy way to propagating information through different languages in > org-babel. Org-babel does have a means for moving information and variables between different languages (with emacs-lisp as the lowest common denominator). I agree this would be exciting. My pie-in-the-sky extension of this dream would be to have Org-babel firmly ground in some virtual machine (maybe Guile's if Emacs is ported to Guile), in such a way that the byte-code of the VM becomes the lowest common denominator of all Org-babel languages. This would allow for seamless integration of languages which compile to run on the VM, and for all other languages this would provide a great speed/efficiency boost over Emacs Lisp. I should disclaim that without having given this much serious though I could be missing some critical road blocks. Cheers -- Eric > In this sense, org-babel can be an advanced interface of comint-mode, > or even replace it. Imagine running several different inferior > interpreters, like shell, python, haskell, gnuplot, (i)maxima, octave > and etc, but variables can be shared between these processes, and all > the code and extra texts are stored in one org-mode file, which is > also the only file you have to work on. > > This is my dream about org-babel. Hope it comes true, > someday. > >> Thanks, >> --Nate > > Thanks, > Xiao-Yong Footnotes: [1] http://www.sagemath.org/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Future of Org-babel? 2010-05-06 15:00 ` Eric Schulte @ 2010-05-06 17:00 ` Erik Iverson 2010-05-08 13:15 ` Eric Schulte 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Erik Iverson @ 2010-05-06 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Schulte; +Cc: emacs-orgmode > My pie-in-the-sky extension of this dream would be to have Org-babel > firmly ground in some virtual machine (maybe Guile's if Emacs is ported > to Guile), in such a way that the byte-code of the VM becomes the lowest > common denominator of all Org-babel languages. This would allow for > seamless integration of languages which compile to run on the VM, and > for all other languages this would provide a great speed/efficiency > boost over Emacs Lisp. I should disclaim that without having given this > much serious though I could be missing some critical road blocks. Regardless, the technology will have to be called ".ORG". :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Future of Org-babel? 2010-05-06 15:00 ` Eric Schulte 2010-05-06 17:00 ` Erik Iverson @ 2010-05-08 13:15 ` Eric Schulte 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2010-05-08 13:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: > Thanks for the idea! > > Xiao-Yong Jin <xj2106@columbia.edu> writes: > > [...] > >> I am thinking of something similar to the 'notebook' >> interface in Mathematica. We can present data, code and >> analysis results in a consistent and structured way, thanks >> to org-mode. > > Yes, this is a great idea. This has been voiced before in reference to > Sage[1] a python mathematical "notebook" which allows for interactive > editing. I think of it as the interactive alternative to static code > blocks in Org-mode files, sort of a REPL for Org-babel. I'm not sure > what the actual interface would look like or feel like, and I'd love to > hear suggestions. > I've created a page with some initial thoughts on a notebook interface to Org-babel [1], any feedback is welcome -- Eric Footnotes: [1] http://eschulte.github.com/babel-dev/TODO-Org-babel-notebook.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Future of Org-babel? 2010-05-05 22:35 [babel] Future of Org-babel? Nathan Neff 2010-05-06 1:57 ` Xiao-Yong Jin @ 2010-05-06 14:59 ` Eric Schulte 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2010-05-06 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nathan Neff; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Nathan, Nathan Neff <nathan.neff@gmail.com> writes: > Guys, > > Is there a project/TODO/Wish list for Org-babel? > Yes, see the babel development page [1] where we keep all pending TODOs and BUGs for Org-babel. It may be easier to view the underlying Org-mode file -- development.org our development repository [2]. > > I'd like to give a presentation on Org-babel at the Strange Loop > conference in St. Louis > in October. > > http://strangeloop2010.com/ > > The Strange Loop conference attracted a lot of very smart people that > I think would be interested in contributing to Org-babel, particularly > because it's a young project. > That's great, the more the merrier. > > There's plenty more languages that Org-babel could support, so that's > one area that I could mention needs help. > Certainly true. > > But, I'd like to point out some of the advanced/aim-for-the-sky ideas > that you guys have for Org-babel -- that would really spark some > interest in the crowd. > > What would you say are the most aggressive / cool features that you're > considering for Org-babel? > The first things that come to mind would be allowing for processing of Org-babel files from outside of Emacs. It would be nice to provide external commands which would allow for the tangling and/or execution of code from Org-babel files. I think this could ease the collaboration of babel and non-babel users. This has recently come up in relation to Org-mode export in the form of external tools which approximate Org-mode export allowing these processes to take place without 'Emacs --batch' commands. It would be a big task, but maybe Org-mode and Org-babel could think about externalizing some of their exportation tasks. This would be helped by the possible (hopeful) conversion of Emacs to run on the Guile VM in the next year or two [3]. I'd love to hear more ideas from Org-babel users on this list, as you've proven to be the most adept at driving Org-babel development. Thanks for bringing this up -- Eric > > Thanks, > --Nate > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode Footnotes: [1] http://eschulte.github.com/babel-dev/ [2] http://github.com/eschulte/babel-dev [3] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/123666 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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