Fwd: Precision setting for spreadsheet calculation

Fwd: Precision setting for spreadsheet calculation

[Carsten Dominik]

Hi,

is anyone able to reproduce this?  I am not, so far....

- Carsten

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Michael Brand <michael.brand@alumni.ethz.ch>
> Date: March 5, 2010 9:38:56 AM GMT+01:00
> To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Precision setting for spreadsheet calculation
>
> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>> Which is the link where you click on to make this happen?
> New version complete:
>
> Is there a small issue with the behavior of the section link
> http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html#Top ?
> It sometimes jumps to the rendered text line
> `Next: Introduction, Previous: (dir), Up: (dir)'  (the anchor,  
> expected)
> and sometimes to
> `The Org Manual'  (top of page, wrong)
> with Firefox 3.0.5, 3.6 and Windows Explorer 8.0
>
> When checking http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html at the W3C  
> validator there are some errors and warnings but I can not help  
> because I am not a HTML expert:
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Forgmode.org%2Fmanual%2Findex.html&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0

- Carsten

Re: Fwd: Precision setting for spreadsheet calculation

[Eric S Fraga]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:28:38 +0100, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> is anyone able to reproduce this?  I am not, so far....
> 
> - Carsten
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: Michael Brand <michael.brand@alumni.ethz.ch>
> > Date: March 5, 2010 9:38:56 AM GMT+01:00
> > To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Precision setting for spreadsheet calculation
> >
> > Carsten Dominik wrote:
> >> Which is the link where you click on to make this happen?
> > New version complete:
> >
> > Is there a small issue with the behavior of the section link
> > http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html#Top ?
> > It sometimes jumps to the rendered text line
> > `Next: Introduction, Previous: (dir), Up: (dir)'  (the anchor,
> > expected)
> > and sometimes to
> > `The Org Manual'  (top of page, wrong)
> > with Firefox 3.0.5, 3.6 and Windows Explorer 8.0
> >
> > When checking http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html at the W3C
> > validator there are some errors and warnings but I can not help
> > because I am not a HTML expert:
> > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Forgmode.org%2Fmanual%2Findex.html&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0
> 
> - Carsten

Carsten,

I can (sort of consistently) reproduce this:

- go to http://orgmode.org/manual/

- click on "12.5 HTML export" (I'm having some problems with HTML
  export; more on this anon) which takes you to

  http://orgmode.org/manual/HTML-export.html#HTML-export

- click on Exporting at the top which takes you to

  http://orgmode.org/manual/Exporting.html#Exporting

- click on Top which now takes you to

  http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html#Top

  and which is not what was expected, I guess (although it *is* what I
  would have expected...).

Hope this helps.

Re: Precision setting for spreadsheet calculation

[Carsten Dominik]

On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:28:38 +0100, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> is anyone able to reproduce this?  I am not, so far....
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Michael Brand <michael.brand@alumni.ethz.ch>
>>> Date: March 5, 2010 9:38:56 AM GMT+01:00
>>> To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Precision setting for spreadsheet calculation
>>>
>>> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>>>> Which is the link where you click on to make this happen?
>>> New version complete:
>>>
>>> Is there a small issue with the behavior of the section link
>>> http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html#Top ?
>>> It sometimes jumps to the rendered text line
>>> `Next: Introduction, Previous: (dir), Up: (dir)'  (the anchor,
>>> expected)
>>> and sometimes to
>>> `The Org Manual'  (top of page, wrong)
>>> with Firefox 3.0.5, 3.6 and Windows Explorer 8.0
>>>
>>> When checking http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html at the W3C
>>> validator there are some errors and warnings but I can not help
>>> because I am not a HTML expert:
>>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Forgmode.org%2Fmanual%2Findex.html&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0
>>
>> - Carsten
>
> Carsten,
>
> I can (sort of consistently) reproduce this:
>
> - go to http://orgmode.org/manual/
>
> - click on "12.5 HTML export" (I'm having some problems with HTML
>  export; more on this anon) which takes you to
>
>  http://orgmode.org/manual/HTML-export.html#HTML-export
>
> - click on Exporting at the top which takes you to
>
>  http://orgmode.org/manual/Exporting.html#Exporting
>
> - click on Top which now takes you to
>
>  http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html#Top
>
>  and which is not what was expected, I guess (although it *is* what I
>  would have expected...).

This is where it should go and what I would expect.  I guess I am  
still not getting what the problem is.  Michael?


- Carsten

Re: Precision setting for spreadsheet calculation

[Eric S Fraga]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:35:42 +0100, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:28:38 +0100, Carsten Dominik
> > <carsten.dominik@gmail.com > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> is anyone able to reproduce this?  I am not, so far....
> >>
> >> - Carsten
> >>
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >>
> >>> From: Michael Brand <michael.brand@alumni.ethz.ch>
> >>> Date: March 5, 2010 9:38:56 AM GMT+01:00
> >>> To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Precision setting for spreadsheet calculation
> >>>
> >>> Carsten Dominik wrote:
> >>>> Which is the link where you click on to make this happen?
> >>> New version complete:
> >>>
> >>> Is there a small issue with the behavior of the section link
> >>> http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html#Top ?
> >>> It sometimes jumps to the rendered text line
> >>> `Next: Introduction, Previous: (dir), Up: (dir)'  (the anchor,
> >>> expected)
> >>> and sometimes to
> >>> `The Org Manual'  (top of page, wrong)
> >>> with Firefox 3.0.5, 3.6 and Windows Explorer 8.0
> >>>
> >>> When checking http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html at the W3C
> >>> validator there are some errors and warnings but I can not help
> >>> because I am not a HTML expert:
> >>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Forgmode.org%2Fmanual%2Findex.html&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0
> >>
> >> - Carsten
> >
> > Carsten,
> >
> > I can (sort of consistently) reproduce this:
> >
> > - go to http://orgmode.org/manual/
> >
> > - click on "12.5 HTML export" (I'm having some problems with HTML
> >  export; more on this anon) which takes you to
> >
> >  http://orgmode.org/manual/HTML-export.html#HTML-export
> >
> > - click on Exporting at the top which takes you to
> >
> >  http://orgmode.org/manual/Exporting.html#Exporting
> >
> > - click on Top which now takes you to
> >
> >  http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html#Top
> >
> >  and which is not what was expected, I guess (although it *is* what I
> >  would have expected...).
> 
> This is where it should go and what I would expect.  I guess I am
> still not getting what the problem is.  Michael?

I guess one point is that Top takes you to different places in the
index.html file. If I go from http://orgmode.org/manual/Exporting.html
by clicking on Top, I get placed at the manually created index of
topics the top line displayed (which is not the first line of the
page, if you understand what I mean) is the one with Next etc.  If I
follow the procedure above, I get placed on the same page but at the
actual top of that page which is the (automatically generated?) table
of contents.

Either destination within index.html is obviously fine (at least to
me!).  I guess Michael's query must have been due to the fact that
depending on where you click from, you get placed in a different place
in the index.html file?

HTH,
eric

Re: Precision setting for spreadsheet calculation

[Michael Brand]

Eric S Fraga wrote:
> Either destination within index.html is obviously fine (at least to
> me!).  I guess Michael's query must have been due to the fact that
> depending on where you click from, you get placed in a different place
> in the index.html file?

Almost yes. Even the _same_ section_link can take you to different places at 
different times. Only now I found the probably easiest way to reproduce: 
start with
http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html
and repeat these two steps as many times as you like

1) click `1 Introduction' (or any other first level node) in the frame on the 
left side
2) click any `Top' (`1 Introduction' has two of them) in the frame on the 
right side or `Org Mode Manual' in the frame on the left side

Every second time doing these steps I am taken to the info_node_navigation
`Next: Introduction, Previous: (dir), Up: (dir)'
This is what I expect since following a `Top' from a info_node_navigation 
should take you simply to a info_node_navigation again in my opinion.
But every other second time I am taken to
`The Org Manual'
This is only the very top of the whole page but not the HTML_anchor
<a name="Top"></a>

Re: Precision setting for spreadsheet calculation

[Eric S Fraga]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:49:28 -0500, Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:
> 
> Michael Brand <michael.brand@alumni.ethz.ch> wrote:

[...]

> 
> o I visit http://orgmode.org/manual/index.html
> o I click `1 Introduction' in the frame on the left side.
> o I click 'Previous: Top' in the Navigation line - I don't see a "frame
>   on the right side" at all.
> 
> Repeating the last two steps ad nauseam always takes me to the same place:
> the Navigation line above "Org Mode Manual"; it never takes me to the very
> top "The Org Manual". I also tried other first level nodes with the same
> results.
> 
> Firefox 3.0.18 on Ubuntu 8.10 (Jaunty).
> 
> HTH,
> Nick

In case this is a useful data point, I am using Firefox 3.5.5 on Debian.