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From: Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: comma as decimal point: bug?
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:17:46 +0200
Message-ID: <2012-08-27T18-12-30@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <26130.1346083763@alphaville>

* Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:
> Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at> wrote:
>
>> Although I totally understand that numbers with commas should be
>> made possible (I am a German speaking guy) I guess there will be
>> even more issues in the future as long as cosmetics and
>> functionality is not aligned.
>
> Agreed, but IIUC the main problem is that org depends on calc for
> the calculations and calc is firmly in the "decimal point MUST be
> a period" camp. 

Although I do not have much clue about «calc» I already assumed this
is the case.

> So the cosmetics/functionality alignment would involve surgery on
> calc, something that nobody should undertake lightly - if at all
> :-).

Totally agree.

The point is: new users and users that does not start reading
documentation before usage will not know this. And all I want to
mention is that although I myself (now) understand the reasons, I
also understand that (new) users will keep on misunderstand this
issue until the cosmetics is aligned with the functionality of
»calc«.

This results in lot of traffic on this list with bug-reports on
this.

To avoid this, normal users should not get the alignment per default
without having to read the explanation of the whole story.

This is a trade-off.

-- 
Karl Voit

  reply index

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-07 15:55 Referencing elemts of a table Karl Voit
2011-06-07 17:22 ` Michael Brand
2011-06-08  0:05   ` kinouchou
2011-06-08  3:54     ` Jambunathan K
2011-06-08  4:25     ` Nick Dokos
2011-06-08 12:49   ` Karl Voit
2011-06-08 13:47     ` Michael Brand
     [not found]     ` <devnull@Karl-Voit.at>
2011-06-08 13:49       ` Nick Dokos
2011-06-24 14:32       ` org-time-stamp loses repeater interval Karl Voit
2011-06-24 16:08         ` Bernt Hansen
2011-06-24 16:01       ` Nick Dokos
2011-06-24 17:40         ` Michael Brand
2011-06-24 18:00           ` Nick Dokos
2011-06-26 11:30           ` Bug: " Karl Voit
2011-06-27 16:23             ` Bastien
2011-06-28 13:40               ` Karl Voit
2011-06-28 14:28                 ` Bastien
2011-06-28 15:04                   ` Nick Dokos
2011-06-28 15:13                   ` Karl Voit
2011-06-28 15:33                     ` Nick Dokos
2011-06-28 16:03                       ` Karl Voit
2011-06-28 15:48                     ` Bastien
2011-06-28 16:05                 ` Karl Voit
2011-06-28 17:27                   ` Bastien
2011-06-28 18:43                     ` Karl Voit
2011-06-28 23:02                       ` Bastien
2011-06-28 23:10                         ` Nick Dokos
2011-06-28 23:58                           ` Bastien
2011-06-29  1:44                             ` Nick Dokos
2011-06-29  7:28                               ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-06-29  9:30                                 ` Bastien
2011-06-29 14:34                                 ` Nick Dokos
2011-07-02 13:29                                   ` Bastien
2011-06-29 12:47                               ` Karl Voit
2011-07-02 13:26                                 ` Bastien
2011-07-02 13:26                               ` Bastien
2011-09-30 15:31       ` How to debug "Specified time is not representable" Nick Dokos
2011-10-18 17:26       ` Recurring events with exceptions Nick Dokos
2011-10-18 20:38         ` Karl Voit
2012-03-16 17:52       ` [bug] org-agenda-write does not handle date stamps without day of week Nick Dokos
2012-03-16 18:53         ` Karl Voit
2012-03-17  6:45       ` Nick Dokos
2012-03-19  9:12         ` Carsten Dominik
2012-03-20  5:54           ` Carsten Dominik
2012-03-20 12:26             ` Karl Voit
2012-03-20 13:47               ` Carsten Dominik
2012-04-10 17:38           ` Bastien
2012-04-10 17:44             ` Nick Dokos
2012-04-10 18:03               ` Bastien
2012-03-20 13:39       ` Nick Dokos
2012-03-21 16:32         ` Karl Voit
2012-03-21 16:57           ` Carsten Dominik
2012-03-26 16:10       ` Plotting (with gnuplot) using dates timestamps Nick Dokos
2012-08-13 22:27       ` table: referencing row of other table Nick Dokos
2012-08-13 22:44         ` Karl Voit
2012-08-19 12:32       ` What HW/SW issues influence org/Emacs performance? Nick Dokos
2012-08-19 13:04         ` Karl Voit
2012-08-20 17:23       ` Replacement for org-make-link Nick Dokos
2012-08-20 17:54         ` Bastien
2012-08-20 19:29           ` Karl Voit
2012-08-27 16:09       ` comma as decimal point: bug? Nick Dokos
2012-08-27 16:17         ` Karl Voit [this message]
2013-01-18 14:07       ` Wish: switch active time-stamps to inactive when CANCELED Nick Dokos
2013-01-18 21:24         ` Karl Voit
2013-01-18 21:59       ` Nick Dokos
2013-01-20 16:05         ` Karl Voit
2013-01-20 18:16           ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2013-01-21 10:18         ` Memnon Anon
2011-09-30 14:32 How to debug "Specified time is not representable" Karl Voit
2011-09-30 14:52 ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-03 11:50   ` Karl Voit
2011-10-04  7:40     ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-04 11:42       ` Karl Voit
2011-10-04 12:13         ` Carsten Dominik
2011-10-04 11:41     ` Carsten Dominik
2011-10-04 11:47       ` Karl Voit
2011-10-18 16:52 Recurring events with exceptions Karl Voit
2011-10-18 17:04 ` Brian Wightman
2011-10-18 17:35   ` Karl Voit
2011-10-18 18:15   ` Skip Collins
2011-10-18 18:46     ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-18 19:57     ` Eric S Fraga
2011-10-19  0:34       ` Skip Collins
2011-10-19 10:02         ` Eric S Fraga
2011-10-21 21:48           ` Skip Collins
2011-10-22  8:38             ` Sync with Outlook/Exchange (was: Recurring events with exceptions) Karl Voit
2011-10-24  7:13             ` Recurring events with exceptions Eric S Fraga
2012-03-05 14:44 [bug] org-agenda-write does not handle date stamps without day of week Karl Voit
2012-03-16 16:14 ` Karl Voit
2012-03-17 14:04 ` Simon Thum
2012-03-19  9:13   ` Carsten Dominik
2012-03-26 13:37 Plotting (with gnuplot) using dates timestamps Alan Schmitt
2012-03-26 14:00 ` Allen S. Rout
2012-03-26 14:06 ` Michael Brand
2012-03-26 14:07 ` Steven Buczkowski
     [not found]   ` <steven.buczkowski@gmail.com>
2012-03-26 14:37     ` Nick Dokos
2012-03-26 14:59       ` Alan Schmitt
2012-03-26 15:48         ` Karl Voit
2012-03-26 17:02           ` Alan Schmitt
2012-03-26 17:06             ` Karl Voit
2012-03-26 17:11               ` Ian Barton
2012-03-27  7:59                 ` Karl Voit
2012-03-30  1:09 ` Mueen Nawaz
2012-08-13 21:50 table: referencing row of other table Karl Voit
2012-08-19 10:56 What HW/SW issues influence org/Emacs performance? Karl Voit
2012-08-19 11:23 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-19 16:45 ` Luis Anaya
2012-08-20 17:03 Replacement for org-make-link Karl Voit
2012-08-26 13:54 comma as decimal point: bug? Rainer Thiel
2012-08-26 20:57 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2012-08-26 21:05   ` Bastien
2012-08-26 21:08     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2012-08-27 16:19       ` Bastien
2012-08-27 15:44   ` Karl Voit
2012-08-26 20:59 ` Bastien
2012-08-27  9:08   ` Rainer Thiel
2012-08-27 12:30     ` AW
2013-01-18 10:34 Wish: switch active time-stamps to inactive when CANCELED Karl Voit
2013-01-18 11:04 ` Daimrod
2013-01-18 11:08   ` Karl Voit
2013-01-18 11:24     ` Daimrod
2013-01-18 21:22       ` Karl Voit
2013-01-18 21:59         ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2013-01-18 22:50           ` Daimrod
2013-01-20 15:39           ` Karl Voit
2013-01-23 13:18           ` Bastien
2013-01-23 17:21             ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2013-01-24 14:11               ` Bastien
2013-01-18 23:10 ` Samuel Wales
2013-01-26 11:06 ` Bastien
2013-01-21 11:39 OT: Learning ELISP (was: Wish: switch active time-stamps to inactive when CANCELED) Karl Voit
2013-01-21 21:56 ` OT: Learning ELISP Jonathan Arkell
2013-01-23 14:40   ` Using Org/babel for Emacs config files (was: OT: Learning ELISP) Karl Voit
2013-01-23 15:52     ` Using Org/babel for Emacs config files David Bjergaard
2013-01-23 22:06     ` Using Org/babel for Emacs config files (was: OT: Learning ELISP) Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2013-01-23 22:32       ` Kyle Machulis
2013-01-24 13:27         ` [OT] open url in emacs was: Re: Using Org/babel for Emacs config files Andreas Leha
2013-01-24 13:29           ` Bastien
2013-01-24 14:13             ` Andreas Leha
2013-01-24 15:19               ` Bastien
2013-01-24 19:48                 ` Andreas Leha
2013-01-25  4:48                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-01-26  8:34                   ` Andreas Leha
2013-01-26 13:05                     ` Jambunathan K
2013-01-28  9:41                       ` Andreas Leha
2013-01-24 15:18           ` Daimrod
2013-01-24  1:04     ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-01-24  1:33       ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-01-24  8:42         ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-01-24 11:36       ` full outline functionality in .el files: how? (was: Re: Using Org/babel for Emacs config files) Gregor Zattler
2013-01-24 12:48         ` full outline functionality in .el files: how? Bastien
2013-01-24 13:40           ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-01-24 13:46             ` Bastien
2013-01-24 14:17               ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-01-24 15:57                 ` Bastien
2013-01-24 13:36         ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-01-25 18:08         ` Memnon Anon

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