* S-Tab strange behavour @ 2010-02-02 19:28 Ivan Vanyushkin 2010-02-02 19:40 ` Ryan Thompson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Ivan Vanyushkin @ 2010-02-02 19:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hello. On initial file opening, S-<TAB> cycles through 1) OVERVIEW -> 2) CONTENTS -> 3) SHOW ALL not depending on current state of document. So, if (as default) document is in OVERVIEW state, first press _does nothing_ (switch to OVERVIEW again). Expected: CONTENTS. If document initially "#+STARTUP: content", then first press switches it back to OVERVIEW. Expected: SHOW ALL. So, S-Tab (and maybe Tab) doesn't use context state when start cycling. Is it correct and why? org-version 6.21 and 6.34c Emacs 23.1.1 Thank you for your answer! -- Ivan Vanyushkin - Vanav. http://vanav.com.ua mailto:Vanav@vanav.com.ua Jabber/GTalk: Vanav@vanav.com.ua ICQ: 190644448 Yahoo: Vanav_I MSN: Vanav@vanav.com.ua ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: S-Tab strange behavour 2010-02-02 19:28 S-Tab strange behavour Ivan Vanyushkin @ 2010-02-02 19:40 ` Ryan Thompson 2010-02-02 20:38 ` Ivan Vanyushkin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Ryan Thompson @ 2010-02-02 19:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ivan Vanyushkin; +Cc: emacs-orgmode I don't think it is possible in general to know the startup state of a file. Files with a #+STARTUP line may be an execption. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Ivan Vanyushkin <vanav@vanav.com.ua> wrote: > Hello. > > On initial file opening, S-<TAB> cycles through > 1) OVERVIEW -> 2) CONTENTS -> 3) SHOW ALL > not depending on current state of document. > > So, if (as default) document is in OVERVIEW state, first press > _does nothing_ (switch to OVERVIEW again). Expected: CONTENTS. > > If document initially "#+STARTUP: content", then first press switches it > back to OVERVIEW. Expected: SHOW ALL. > > So, S-Tab (and maybe Tab) doesn't use context state when start cycling. > > Is it correct and why? > > org-version 6.21 and 6.34c > Emacs 23.1.1 > > Thank you for your answer! > > > -- > Ivan Vanyushkin - Vanav. > http://vanav.com.ua > mailto:Vanav@vanav.com.ua > Jabber/GTalk: Vanav@vanav.com.ua > ICQ: 190644448 > Yahoo: Vanav_I > MSN: Vanav@vanav.com.ua > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: S-Tab strange behavour 2010-02-02 19:40 ` Ryan Thompson @ 2010-02-02 20:38 ` Ivan Vanyushkin 2010-02-02 21:25 ` Ryan Thompson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Ivan Vanyushkin @ 2010-02-02 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ryan Thompson; +Cc: emacs-orgmode There is org-startup-folded that controls startup state, so org-mode should know it. Also S-Tab forgets state even in the middle of document. Key presses to reproduce: 1) S-Tab - OVERVIEW 2) S-Tab - CONTENTS 3) C-G (or any other) 4) S-Tab - OVERVIEW (expected: SHOW ALL) or 1) S-Tab - OVERVIEW 3) C-G (or any other) 4) S-Tab - OVERVIEW (nothing changed! expected: CONTENTS) Is it by design? Why? On 02.02.2010 21:40, Ryan Thompson wrote: > I don't think it is possible in general to know the startup state of a > file. Files with a #+STARTUP line may be an execption. > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Ivan Vanyushkin<vanav@vanav.com.ua> wrote: >> Hello. >> >> On initial file opening, S-<TAB> cycles through >> 1) OVERVIEW -> 2) CONTENTS -> 3) SHOW ALL >> not depending on current state of document. >> >> So, if (as default) document is in OVERVIEW state, first press >> _does nothing_ (switch to OVERVIEW again). Expected: CONTENTS. >> >> If document initially "#+STARTUP: content", then first press switches it >> back to OVERVIEW. Expected: SHOW ALL. >> >> So, S-Tab (and maybe Tab) doesn't use context state when start cycling. >> >> Is it correct and why? >> >> org-version 6.21 and 6.34c >> Emacs 23.1.1 >> >> Thank you for your answer! >> >> >> -- >> Ivan Vanyushkin - Vanav. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: S-Tab strange behavour 2010-02-02 20:38 ` Ivan Vanyushkin @ 2010-02-02 21:25 ` Ryan Thompson 2010-02-03 10:13 ` Ivan Vanyushkin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Ryan Thompson @ 2010-02-02 21:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ivan Vanyushkin; +Cc: emacs-orgmode S-Tab probably checks the value of last-command to see if the previous command was also a S-Tab. If the previous command was anything else, then Org Mode has no idea whether the buffer or its visibility has changed since the last-executed S-Tab, since it cannot know which other commands will affect buffer visibility and which will not. So, if the previous command is not S-Tab, then the next S-Tab will restart the cycle from the beginning. Similarly, when you first open a buffer, the value of last-command is probably 'find-file or something. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Ivan Vanyushkin <vanav@vanav.com.ua> wrote: > There is org-startup-folded that controls startup state, so org-mode should > know it. > > Also S-Tab forgets state even in the middle of document. Key presses to > reproduce: > > 1) S-Tab - OVERVIEW > 2) S-Tab - CONTENTS > 3) C-G (or any other) > 4) S-Tab - OVERVIEW (expected: SHOW ALL) > > or > > 1) S-Tab - OVERVIEW > 3) C-G (or any other) > 4) S-Tab - OVERVIEW (nothing changed! expected: CONTENTS) > > Is it by design? Why? > > > On 02.02.2010 21:40, Ryan Thompson wrote: >> >> I don't think it is possible in general to know the startup state of a >> file. Files with a #+STARTUP line may be an execption. >> >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Ivan Vanyushkin<vanav@vanav.com.ua> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hello. >>> >>> On initial file opening, S-<TAB> cycles through >>> 1) OVERVIEW -> 2) CONTENTS -> 3) SHOW ALL >>> not depending on current state of document. >>> >>> So, if (as default) document is in OVERVIEW state, first press >>> _does nothing_ (switch to OVERVIEW again). Expected: CONTENTS. >>> >>> If document initially "#+STARTUP: content", then first press switches it >>> back to OVERVIEW. Expected: SHOW ALL. >>> >>> So, S-Tab (and maybe Tab) doesn't use context state when start cycling. >>> >>> Is it correct and why? >>> >>> org-version 6.21 and 6.34c >>> Emacs 23.1.1 >>> >>> Thank you for your answer! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ivan Vanyushkin - Vanav. > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: S-Tab strange behavour 2010-02-02 21:25 ` Ryan Thompson @ 2010-02-03 10:13 ` Ivan Vanyushkin 2010-02-03 10:30 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Ivan Vanyushkin @ 2010-02-03 10:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On 02.02.2010 23:25, Ryan Thompson wrote: > If the previous command was anything else, > then Org Mode has no idea whether the buffer or its visibility has > changed since the last-executed S-Tab, since it cannot know which > other commands will affect buffer visibility and which will not. I think, only Org changes visibility, so it can track current state. > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Ivan Vanyushkin<vanav@vanav.com.ua> wrote: >> There is org-startup-folded that controls startup state, so org-mode should >> know it. >> >> Also S-Tab forgets state even in the middle of document. Key presses to >> reproduce: >> >> 1) S-Tab - OVERVIEW >> 2) S-Tab - CONTENTS >> 3) C-G (or any other) >> 4) S-Tab - OVERVIEW (expected: SHOW ALL) >> >> or >> >> 1) S-Tab - OVERVIEW >> 3) C-G (or any other) >> 4) S-Tab - OVERVIEW (nothing changed! expected: CONTENTS) >> >> Is it by design? Why? >> >> >> On 02.02.2010 21:40, Ryan Thompson wrote: >>> >>> I don't think it is possible in general to know the startup state of a >>> file. Files with a #+STARTUP line may be an execption. >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Ivan Vanyushkin<vanav@vanav.com.ua> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello. >>>> >>>> On initial file opening, S-<TAB> cycles through >>>> 1) OVERVIEW -> 2) CONTENTS -> 3) SHOW ALL >>>> not depending on current state of document. >>>> >>>> So, if (as default) document is in OVERVIEW state, first press >>>> _does nothing_ (switch to OVERVIEW again). Expected: CONTENTS. >>>> >>>> If document initially "#+STARTUP: content", then first press switches it >>>> back to OVERVIEW. Expected: SHOW ALL. >>>> >>>> So, S-Tab (and maybe Tab) doesn't use context state when start cycling. >>>> >>>> Is it correct and why? >>>> >>>> org-version 6.21 and 6.34c >>>> Emacs 23.1.1 >>>> >>>> Thank you for your answer! >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ivan Vanyushkin - Vanav. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: S-Tab strange behavour 2010-02-03 10:13 ` Ivan Vanyushkin @ 2010-02-03 10:30 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-02-03 10:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ivan Vanyushkin; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Ivan Vanyushkin wrote: > On 02.02.2010 23:25, Ryan Thompson wrote: >> If the previous command was anything else, >> then Org Mode has no idea whether the buffer or its visibility has >> changed since the last-executed S-Tab, since it cannot know which >> other commands will affect buffer visibility and which will not. > > I think, only Org changes visibility, so it can track current state. No, there are other commands outside Org that are changing visibility. Also, Org creates "strange" visibillity states with sparse trees etc. Furthermore, I in fact like that it is agnostic of the current visibility. Then I can create a state by quickly pressing TAB or S-TAB 1, 2, or three times - without even looking. - Carsten > > > >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Ivan >> Vanyushkin<vanav@vanav.com.ua> wrote: >>> There is org-startup-folded that controls startup state, so org- >>> mode should >>> know it. >>> >>> Also S-Tab forgets state even in the middle of document. Key >>> presses to >>> reproduce: >>> >>> 1) S-Tab - OVERVIEW >>> 2) S-Tab - CONTENTS >>> 3) C-G (or any other) >>> 4) S-Tab - OVERVIEW (expected: SHOW ALL) >>> >>> or >>> >>> 1) S-Tab - OVERVIEW >>> 3) C-G (or any other) >>> 4) S-Tab - OVERVIEW (nothing changed! expected: CONTENTS) >>> >>> Is it by design? Why? >>> >>> >>> On 02.02.2010 21:40, Ryan Thompson wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't think it is possible in general to know the startup state >>>> of a >>>> file. Files with a #+STARTUP line may be an execption. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Ivan >>>> Vanyushkin<vanav@vanav.com.ua> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello. >>>>> >>>>> On initial file opening, S-<TAB> cycles through >>>>> 1) OVERVIEW -> 2) CONTENTS -> 3) SHOW ALL >>>>> not depending on current state of document. >>>>> >>>>> So, if (as default) document is in OVERVIEW state, first press >>>>> _does nothing_ (switch to OVERVIEW again). Expected: CONTENTS. >>>>> >>>>> If document initially "#+STARTUP: content", then first press >>>>> switches it >>>>> back to OVERVIEW. Expected: SHOW ALL. >>>>> >>>>> So, S-Tab (and maybe Tab) doesn't use context state when start >>>>> cycling. >>>>> >>>>> Is it correct and why? >>>>> >>>>> org-version 6.21 and 6.34c >>>>> Emacs 23.1.1 >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for your answer! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ivan Vanyushkin - Vanav. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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