Re: "Which function for creating the link?

Re: "Which function for creating the link?

[Eric S Fraga]

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On Thursday,  2 Mar 2017 at 11:38, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> Hi
>
> When I try to open some messages[1] the minibuffer pops up asking
> orglist
> "Which function for creating the link?

Maybe give a bit more context?  What messages?  How is this related to
org?

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Re: "Which function for creating the link?

[Uwe Brauer]

>>> "Eric" == Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

    > On Thursday,  2 Mar 2017 at 11:38, Uwe Brauer wrote:
    >> Hi
    >> 
    >> When I try to open some messages[1] the minibuffer pops up asking
    >> orglist
    >> "Which function for creating the link?

    > Maybe give a bit more context?  What messages?  How is this related to
    > org?

Hm I am using gnus.
For example your message which I read via gmane in the newsgroup
gmane.emacs.orgmode

I hit enter or space, which I always do in order to read message via
gnus and again the minibuffer poped up with this question. I searched my
elpa archive and the only place where such a question is asked is in

(defun org-store-link

Now I don't understand why this function is called nor do I understand
why this question is asked without having set any variable.
Hm I have to search my init files,

Ok found it

(add-hook 'gnus-select-article-hook 'my-org-store-link-simple)


(defun my-org-store-link-simple ()
  "Translate TeX commands to png generated by org-preview-latex-fragment
into overlays or extents." 
  (interactive)
    (call-interactively 'org-store-link))

But the funny part is: if I call org-store-link
directly, *no* question is asked about mairix,

So what do I have to do to get rid of the question, could 
org-gnus-prefer-web-links be the culprit?
org-gnus-prefer-web-links is a variable defined in ‘org-gnus.el’.
Its value is t


Hm I debugged org-store-link, which was a considerable ordeal, and it
seems it is this

org-store-link-functions is a variable defined in ‘org.el’.
Its value is


(org-mairix-store-gnus-link org-rmail-store-link org-mhe-store-link
org-irc-store-link org-info-store-link org-gnus-store-link
org-docview-store-link org-bibtex-store-link org-bbdb-store-link
org-w3m-store-link)

And org-store link takes the first entry. I prefer him to take
org-gnus-store-link instead, how can I do this??

I have the feeling that this is relatively new (say from 2016).


Regards

Uwe Brauer 

the evil org-store-link-functions variable (was: "Which function for creating the link?)

[Uwe Brauer]

Hi

I have even put in my init file
(setq org-store-link-functions
      (list  'org-gnus-store-link
            'org-rmail-store-link
            'org-mhe-store-link
            'org-irc-store-link
            'org-info-store-link
            'org-docview-store-link
            'org-bibtex-store-link
            'org-bbdb-store-link
            'org-w3m-store-link))

But I always obtain when using
describe-variable org-store-link-functions
which is annoying any help is appreciated.

Uwe Brauer 

,----
| 
| org-store-link-functions is a variable defined in ‘org.el’.
| Its value is
| (org-mairix-store-gnus-link org-gnus-store-link org-rmail-store-link org-mhe-store-link org-irc-store-link org-info-store-link org-docview-store-link org-bibtex-store-link org-bbdb-store-link org-w3m-store-link)
| 
|   This variable may be risky if used as a file-local variable.
| 
| Documentation:
| List of functions that are called to create and store a link.
| Each function will be called in turn until one returns a non-nil
| value.  Each function should check if it is responsible for creating
| this link (for example by looking at the major mode).
| If not, it must exit and return nil.
| If yes, it should return a non-nil value after a calling
| ‘org-store-link-props’ with a list of properties and values.
| Special properties are:
| 
| :type         The link prefix, like "http".  This must be given.
| :link         The link, like "http://www.astro.uva.nl/~dominik".
|               This is obligatory as well.
| :description  Optional default description for the second pair
|               of brackets in an Org-mode link.  The user can still change
|               this when inserting this link into an Org-mode buffer.
| 
| In addition to these, any additional properties can be specified
| and then used in capture templates.
`----

Re: the evil org-store-link-functions variable

[Nick Dokos]

Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

> Hi
>
> I have even put in my init file
> (setq org-store-link-functions
>       (list  'org-gnus-store-link
>             'org-rmail-store-link
>             'org-mhe-store-link
>             'org-irc-store-link
>             'org-info-store-link
>             'org-docview-store-link
>             'org-bibtex-store-link
>             'org-bbdb-store-link
>             'org-w3m-store-link))
>
> But I always obtain when using
> describe-variable org-store-link-functions
> which is annoying any help is appreciated.
>
> Uwe Brauer

What version of org are you using? In 9.0.5, I don't have a variable
called 'org-store-link-functions', but I have a function called that.
Is it possible that you have a mixed install?

>
> ,----
> | 
> | org-store-link-functions is a variable defined in ‘org.el’.
> | Its value is
> | (org-mairix-store-gnus-link org-gnus-store-link org-rmail-store-link org-mhe-store-link org-irc-store-link org-info-store-link org-docview-store-link org-bibtex-store-link org-bbdb-store-link org-w3m-store-link)
> | 
> |   This variable may be risky if used as a file-local variable.
> | 
> | Documentation:
> | List of functions that are called to create and store a link.
> | Each function will be called in turn until one returns a non-nil
> | value.  Each function should check if it is responsible for creating
> | this link (for example by looking at the major mode).
> | If not, it must exit and return nil.
> | If yes, it should return a non-nil value after a calling
> | ‘org-store-link-props’ with a list of properties and values.
> | Special properties are:
> | 
> | :type         The link prefix, like "http".  This must be given.
> | :link         The link, like "http://www.astro.uva.nl/~dominik".
> |               This is obligatory as well.
> | :description  Optional default description for the second pair
> |               of brackets in an Org-mode link.  The user can still change
> |               this when inserting this link into an Org-mode buffer.
> | 
> | In addition to these, any additional properties can be specified
> | and then used in capture templates.
> `----
>
>
>

-- 
Nick

Re: the evil org-store-link-functions variable

[Uwe Brauer]

   > Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

   > What version of org are you using? In 9.0.5, I don't have a variable
   > called 'org-store-link-functions', but I have a function called that.
   > Is it possible that you have a mixed install?

As I said to Eric A., yes I had a terrible mix of old org installations
in my elpa directory. I deleted them all and started with a fresh 9.0.5
version and everything seems fine, now.
Thanks

Uwe 

Re: "Which function for creating the link?

[Nick Dokos]

Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

> org-store-link-functions is a variable defined in ‘org.el’.
> Its value is
>
>
> (org-mairix-store-gnus-link org-rmail-store-link org-mhe-store-link
> org-irc-store-link org-info-store-link org-gnus-store-link
> org-docview-store-link org-bibtex-store-link org-bbdb-store-link
> org-w3m-store-link)
>
> And org-store link takes the first entry. I prefer him to take
> org-gnus-store-link instead, how can I do this??
>

You are probably either loading explicitly org-mairix (from contrib)
or requiring 'org-mairix (explicitly or implicitly).

Try

   emacs -q -l /path/to/minimal.el

and evaluate

  (org-store-link-functions)

The returned list should not contain org-mairix-store-gnus-link.

Then

  (load-file "/path/to/org-mode/contrib/lisp/org-mairix.el")

and evaluate

  (org-store-link-functions)

The returned list will now contain org-mairix-store-gnus-link.

If you cannot find the place where org-mairix gets loaded (e.g with
find and grep), by using this method, you could bisect through your
init files to find it.

>
> I have the feeling that this is relatively new (say from 2016).

I don't know why you are seeing it now, but I don't think anything
has changed in the mairix space for years.

-- 
Nick

Re: "Which function for creating the link?

[Uwe Brauer]

>>> "Nick" == Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com> writes:

   > Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
   >> org-store-link-functions is a variable defined in ‘org.el’.
   >> Its value is
   >> 
   >> 
   >> (org-mairix-store-gnus-link org-rmail-store-link org-mhe-store-link
   >> org-irc-store-link org-info-store-link org-gnus-store-link
   >> org-docview-store-link org-bibtex-store-link org-bbdb-store-link
   >> org-w3m-store-link)
   >> 
   >> And org-store link takes the first entry. I prefer him to take
   >> org-gnus-store-link instead, how can I do this??
   >> 

   > You are probably either loading explicitly org-mairix (from contrib)
   > or requiring 'org-mairix (explicitly or implicitly).

That is my feeling too, but I greped org-mairix in all my lisp files,
and found nothing.


   > Try

   >    emacs -q -l /path/to/minimal.el

I am not sure what minimal.el is supposed to be, but
emacs -q I might try.

   > and evaluate

   >   (org-store-link-functions)

   > The returned list should not contain org-mairix-store-gnus-link.

   > Then

   >   (load-file "/path/to/org-mode/contrib/lisp/org-mairix.el")

   > and evaluate

   >   (org-store-link-functions)

   > The returned list will now contain org-mairix-store-gnus-link.

   > If you cannot find the place where org-mairix gets loaded (e.g with
   > find and grep), by using this method, you could bisect through your
   > init files to find it.

Yeah I was hoping to avoid this, but maybe I have to do it sigh.

   >> 
   >> I have the feeling that this is relatively new (say from 2016).

   > I don't know why you are seeing it now, but I don't think anything
   > has changed in the mairix space for years.

Yes but there is a change proposed by John Kitchin which makes my suspicious 

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2016-07/msg00047.html

Uwe 

Re: "Which function for creating the link?

[Nick Dokos]

Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

>    > Try
>
>    >    emacs -q -l /path/to/minimal.el
>
> I am not sure what minimal.el is supposed to be, but
> emacs -q I might try.
>

It may be a no-op or it may be a few lines of code, depending on how
you get your org-mode. For me, building from latest master every so
often, it's basically this:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/src/emacs/org/org-mode/lisp")

(require 'org-loaddefs)
;; not sure why I require org separately, but I guess I needed it
;; at some point - I should try without it.
(require 'org)

(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.org\\'" . org-mode))

(global-set-key "\C-cl" 'org-store-link)
(global-set-key "\C-cc" 'org-capture)
(global-set-key "\C-ca" 'org-agenda)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---



>    > I don't know why you are seeing it now, but I don't think anything
>    > has changed in the mairix space for years.
>
> Yes but there is a change proposed by John Kitchin which makes my suspicious 
>
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2016-07/msg00047.html
>

I believe this was merged indeed and it may be that org-mairix.el was not updated
to follow the new convention: that may be the cause of the problem, but avoiding
the load of org-mairix should resolve it in any case.

-- 
Nick

Re: "Which function for creating the link?

[Uwe Brauer]

    > Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

    > You are probably either loading explicitly org-mairix (from contrib)
    > or requiring 'org-mairix (explicitly or implicitly).

I think I found the culprit, I started emacs -q and the 
variable org-store-link-functions did not contain
org-mairix-store-gnus-link.

However when I loaded gnorb, org-store-link-functions 
*did* contain org-mairix-store-gnus-link.

@Eric what do you say?

I briefly scanned the code but cannot find why 
org-mairix-store-gnus-link is put into the list

Uwe 

Re: "Which function for creating the link?

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

>     > Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
>
>     > You are probably either loading explicitly org-mairix (from contrib)
>     > or requiring 'org-mairix (explicitly or implicitly).
>
> I think I found the culprit, I started emacs -q and the 
> variable org-store-link-functions did not contain
> org-mairix-store-gnus-link.
>
> However when I loaded gnorb, org-store-link-functions 
> *did* contain org-mairix-store-gnus-link.
>
> @Eric what do you say?
>
> I briefly scanned the code but cannot find why 
> org-mairix-store-gnus-link is put into the list

Probably you've set `gnorb-gnus-mail-search-backend' to 'mairix. Then,
when you call `gnorb-bbdb-mail-search', that would result in a call to
`mairix-search', which I'm sure is autoloaded and will bring in the
whole package.

There's not much to be done about that: you can set
`gnorb-gnus-mail-search-backend' to nil (or a different backend) and
that will solve the problem, but if you ever try to use mairix, the same
thing will happen again.

Eric

Re: "Which function for creating the link?

[Uwe Brauer]

    > Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

    > Probably you've set `gnorb-gnus-mail-search-backend' to 'mairix. Then,
    > when you call `gnorb-bbdb-mail-search', that would result in a call to
    > `mairix-search', which I'm sure is autoloaded and will bring in the
    > whole package.

No it is set to nil.
    > There's not much to be done about that: you can set
    > `gnorb-gnus-mail-search-backend' to nil (or a different backend) and
    > that will solve the problem, but if you ever try to use mairix, the same
    > thing will happen again.

It seems that part of the problem was caused that is still sticked with
org-mode 8.3.X I have deleted that version and installed 9.0.5 and at
the moment everything looks fine. I hope also the registry problem I
reported to you privately is solved. But I will know for sure in a
couple of days.

Uwe 

Re: "Which function for creating the link?

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

>     > Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
>
>     > Probably you've set `gnorb-gnus-mail-search-backend' to 'mairix. Then,
>     > when you call `gnorb-bbdb-mail-search', that would result in a call to
>     > `mairix-search', which I'm sure is autoloaded and will bring in the
>     > whole package.
>
> No it is set to nil.
>     > There's not much to be done about that: you can set
>     > `gnorb-gnus-mail-search-backend' to nil (or a different backend) and
>     > that will solve the problem, but if you ever try to use mairix, the same
>     > thing will happen again.
>
> It seems that part of the problem was caused that is still sticked with
> org-mode 8.3.X I have deleted that version and installed 9.0.5 and at
> the moment everything looks fine. I hope also the registry problem I
> reported to you privately is solved. But I will know for sure in a
> couple of days.

Ah, that's good to know. You reported a few other good points -- I will
get to them!

Eric

Re: the evil org-store-link-functions variable

[Eric S Fraga]

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On Thursday,  2 Mar 2017 at 15:57, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have even put in my init file
> (setq org-store-link-functions

In my org, which is reasonably up to date, there is no such
variable.  There *is* a function by that name, however.

What version of org are you using?

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Re: the evil org-store-link-functions variable

[Eric S Fraga]

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On Thursday,  2 Mar 2017 at 15:57, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> I have even put in my init file
> (setq org-store-link-functions

Following this up, in org v8, this was a variable but in org v9 it is
now a function.
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Re: the evil org-store-link-functions variable

[Uwe Brauer]

>>> "Eric" == Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

   > On Thursday,  2 Mar 2017 at 15:57, Uwe Brauer wrote:
   >> I have even put in my init file
   >> (setq org-store-link-functions

   > Following this up, in org v8, this was a variable but in org v9 it is
   > now a function.

Right, but I am still using
org-version is a variable defined in ‘org.el’.
Its value is "8.3.6"


So that setting should work, but maybe gnorb thinks that it is a
functions and this is where the trouble comes from.


Do you recommend to upgrade?

Eric Abrahamsen, if you read this, what do you say?

Uwe Brauer 

Re: the evil org-store-link-functions variable

[Uwe Brauer]

>>> "Eric" == Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

   > On Thursday,  2 Mar 2017 at 15:57, Uwe Brauer wrote:
   >> I have even put in my init file
   >> (setq org-store-link-functions

   > Following this up, in org v8, this was a variable but in org v9 it is
   > now a function.

Yep I upgraded to 9.0.5 and this problem seems to be gone.

Re: the evil org-store-link-functions variable

[Eric S Fraga]

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On Thursday,  2 Mar 2017 at 18:39, Uwe Brauer wrote:

[...]

> Yep I upgraded to 9.0.5 and this problem seems to be gone.

Excellent.
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Re: "Which function for creating the link?

[Eric S Fraga]

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On Thursday,  2 Mar 2017 at 13:20, Uwe Brauer wrote:

[...]

> Hm I am using gnus.

[...]

> (add-hook 'gnus-select-article-hook 'my-org-store-link-simple)

Ah, okay, now makes sense.  Unfortunately, I cannot help with
this.  Hopefully others on the list can.

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"Which function for creating the link?

[Uwe Brauer]

Hi

When I try to open some messages[1] the minibuffer pops up asking
orglist
"Which function for creating the link?

And offers org-mairix-store-gnus-link

Which I don't want. How can I stop this annoying behavior, because
mairix links seem not to work for me.

BTW, 3 message of mine did not arrive in the list, via gmane this is why
I try it writing directly to the list.

Uwe Brauer 

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