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* Bug: Org line commands and visual-line mode bindings [9.3.7 (9.3.7-15-gc9abb4-elpaplus @ /home/gustavo/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20200727/)]
@ 2020-07-28  1:18 Gustavo Barros
  2020-07-28 15:34 ` Marco Wahl
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Gustavo Barros @ 2020-07-28  1:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi All,

The Org line commands -- `org-beginning-of-line', `org-end-of-line', and 
`org-kill-line' -- all take due care for the presence of 
`visual-line-mode' to do the right thing if it is turned on.  However, 
when `visual-line-mode' is indeed on, the bindings on 
`visual-line-mode-map' shadow Org's bindings, so that we actually get 
`beginning-of-visual-line', `end-of-visual-line', and `kill-visual-line' 
for the usual keybindings, instead of the much nicer specialized Org 
commands.

To check this, start with =emacs -Q=, set load-path to get the proper 
version of Org (as your case may be):

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20200727")
#+end_src

Then visit an Org file, and enable "M-x visual-line-mode", and check the 
bindings with "C-h k C-a", "C-h k C-e", and "C-h k C-k" to get:

#+begin_example
beginning-of-visual-line
end-of-visual-line
kill-visual-line
#+end_example

I'm not sure this is a "bug", strictly speaking, or if it is correct 
unfortunate behavior.  Anyway, is there something that could be done 
from Org's side?

Best,
Gustavo.


Emacs  : GNU Emacs 27.0.91 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 
3.24.18, cairo version 1.16.0)
 of 2020-06-29
Package: Org mode version 9.3.7 (9.3.7-15-gc9abb4-elpaplus @ 
/home/gustavo/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20200727/)

current state:
==============
(setq
 org-src-mode-hook '(org-src-babel-configure-edit-buffer 
 org-src-mode-configure-edit-buffer)
 org-link-shell-confirm-function 'yes-or-no-p
 org-metadown-hook '(org-babel-pop-to-session-maybe)
 org-clock-out-hook '(org-clock-remove-empty-clock-drawer)
 org-mode-hook '(#[0 "\300\301\302\303\304$\207" [add-hook 
 change-major-mode-hook org-show-all append local] 5]
		 #[0 "\300\301\302\303\304$\207"
		   [add-hook change-major-mode-hook 
		   org-babel-show-result-all append local] 5]
		 org-babel-result-hide-spec org-babel-hide-all-hashes 
		 org-eldoc-load)
 org-archive-hook '(org-attach-archive-delete-maybe)
 org-confirm-elisp-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
 org-agenda-before-write-hook '(org-agenda-add-entry-text)
 org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe)
 org-bibtex-headline-format-function #[257 "\300\236A\207" [:title] 3 
 "\n\n(fn ENTRY)"]
 org-babel-pre-tangle-hook '(save-buffer)
 org-tab-first-hook '(org-babel-hide-result-toggle-maybe 
 org-babel-header-arg-expand)
 org-src-lang-modes '(("arduino" . arduino) ("redis" . redis) ("php" 
 . php) ("C" . c) ("C++" . c++)
		      ("asymptote" . asy) ("bash" . sh) ("beamer" 
		      . latex) ("calc" . fundamental) ("cpp" . c++)
		      ("ditaa" . artist) ("dot" . fundamental) ("elisp" 
		      . emacs-lisp) ("ocaml" . tuareg)
		      ("screen" . shell-script) ("shell" . sh) ("sqlite" 
		      . sql))
 org-occur-hook '(org-first-headline-recenter)
 org-cycle-hook '(org-cycle-hide-archived-subtrees 
 org-cycle-show-empty-lines
		  org-optimize-window-after-visibility-change)
 org-speed-command-hook '(org-speed-command-activate 
 org-babel-speed-command-activate)
 org-confirm-shell-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
 org-link-parameters '(("attachment" :follow org-attach-open-link 
 :export org-attach-export-link :complete
			org-attach-complete-link)
		       ("id" :follow org-id-open) ("eww" :follow eww 
		       :store org-eww-store-link)
		       ("rmail" :follow org-rmail-open :store 
		       org-rmail-store-link)
		       ("mhe" :follow org-mhe-open :store 
		       org-mhe-store-link)
		       ("irc" :follow org-irc-visit :store 
		       org-irc-store-link :export org-irc-export)
		       ("info" :follow org-info-open :export 
		       org-info-export :store org-info-store-link)
		       ("gnus" :follow org-gnus-open :store 
		       org-gnus-store-link)
		       ("docview" :follow org-docview-open :export 
		       org-docview-export :store
			org-docview-store-link)
		       ("bibtex" :follow org-bibtex-open :store 
		       org-bibtex-store-link)
		       ("bbdb" :follow org-bbdb-open :export 
		       org-bbdb-export :complete org-bbdb-complete-link
			:store org-bbdb-store-link)
		       ("w3m" :store org-w3m-store-link) ("file+sys") 
		       ("file+emacs")
		       ("shell" :follow org-link--open-shell)
		       ("news" :follow #[257 "\301\300\302Q!\207" 
		       ["news" browse-url ":"] 5 "\n\n(fn URL)"])
		       ("mailto" :follow #[257 "\301\300\302Q!\207" 
		       ["mailto" browse-url ":"] 5 "\n\n(fn URL)"])
		       ("https" :follow #[257 "\301\300\302Q!\207" 
		       ["https" browse-url ":"] 5 "\n\n(fn URL)"])
		       ("http" :follow #[257 "\301\300\302Q!\207" 
		       ["http" browse-url ":"] 5 "\n\n(fn URL)"])
		       ("ftp" :follow #[257 "\301\300\302Q!\207" ["ftp" 
		       browse-url ":"] 5 "\n\n(fn URL)"])
		       ("help" :follow org-link--open-help) ("file" 
		       :complete org-link-complete-file)
		       ("elisp" :follow org-link--open-elisp) ("doi" 
		       :follow org-link--open-doi))
 org-link-elisp-confirm-function 'yes-or-no-p
 )


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* Re: Bug: Org line commands and visual-line mode bindings [9.3.7 (9.3.7-15-gc9abb4-elpaplus @ /home/gustavo/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20200727/)]
  2020-07-28  1:18 Bug: Org line commands and visual-line mode bindings [9.3.7 (9.3.7-15-gc9abb4-elpaplus @ /home/gustavo/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20200727/)] Gustavo Barros
@ 2020-07-28 15:34 ` Marco Wahl
  2020-07-28 16:38   ` Gustavo Barros
  2020-09-04 15:20   ` Bastien
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-28 15:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi Gustavo,

> The Org line commands -- `org-beginning-of-line', `org-end-of-line', and
> `org-kill-line' -- all take due care for the presence of
> `visual-line-mode' to do the right thing if it is turned on.  However,
> when `visual-line-mode' is indeed on, the bindings on
> `visual-line-mode-map' shadow Org's bindings, so that we actually get
> `beginning-of-visual-line', `end-of-visual-line', and `kill-visual-line'
> for the usual keybindings, instead of the much nicer specialized Org
> commands.
>
> To check this, start with =emacs -Q=, set load-path to get the proper
> version of Org (as your case may be):
>
> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
> (add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20200727")
> #+end_src
>
>
> Then visit an Org file, and enable "M-x visual-line-mode", and check the
> bindings with "C-h k C-a", "C-h k C-e", and "C-h k C-k" to get:
>
> #+begin_example
> beginning-of-visual-line
> end-of-visual-line
> kill-visual-line
> #+end_example
>
> I'm not sure this is a "bug", strictly speaking, or if it is correct
> unfortunate behavior.  Anyway, is there something that could be done
> from Org's side?

Also not sure if this is a bug. But you can configure the desired
behavior by hooking in at activation of visual line mode AFAICS.

You could e.g. add

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---

(add-hook 'visual-line-mode-hook
          (lambda () (when (derived-mode-p 'org-mode)
                       (local-set-key (kbd "C-a") #'org-beginning-of-line)
                       (local-set-key (kbd "C-e") #'org-end-of-line)
                       (local-set-key (kbd "C-k") #'org-kill-line))))

--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

to your config.


Best,
-- Marco



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* Re: Bug: Org line commands and visual-line mode bindings [9.3.7 (9.3.7-15-gc9abb4-elpaplus @ /home/gustavo/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20200727/)]
  2020-07-28 15:34 ` Marco Wahl
@ 2020-07-28 16:38   ` Gustavo Barros
  2020-09-04 15:20   ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Gustavo Barros @ 2020-07-28 16:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marco Wahl; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Marco,

thank you for your answer.

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 17:34, Marco Wahl <marcowahlsoft@gmail.com> wrote:

>> I'm not sure this is a "bug", strictly speaking, or if it is correct
>> unfortunate behavior.  Anyway, is there something that could be done
>> from Org's side?
>
> Also not sure if this is a bug. But you can configure the desired
> behavior by hooking in at activation of visual line mode AFAICS.
>
> You could e.g. add
>
>
> (add-hook 'visual-line-mode-hook
>           (lambda () (when (derived-mode-p 'org-mode)
>                        (local-set-key (kbd "C-a") #'org-beginning-of-line)
>                        (local-set-key (kbd "C-e") #'org-end-of-line)
>                        (local-set-key (kbd "C-k") #'org-kill-line))))
>
> to your config.
>

This is a good workaround.  I've been doing something else, which is
simply to bind the keys directly (that is not using `[remap ...]') in
`org-mode-map'.  This way the remappings done by `visual-line-mode' find
nothing to remap, and things work as expected.  However, while I'm safe
with this approach in my local settings, because I know I haven't changed
the default bindings for these commands, I don't know how good this
would be as a general solution for Org.

Anyway, it would be nice if this worked out-of-the-box, this can be
baffling behavior, especially for newer users.  But I'm not sure what to
suggest here.

Best,
Gustavo.


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* Re: Bug: Org line commands and visual-line mode bindings [9.3.7 (9.3.7-15-gc9abb4-elpaplus @ /home/gustavo/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20200727/)]
  2020-07-28 15:34 ` Marco Wahl
  2020-07-28 16:38   ` Gustavo Barros
@ 2020-09-04 15:20   ` Bastien
  2020-09-04 15:44     ` Gustavo Barros
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2020-09-04 15:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marco Wahl; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Marco,

Marco Wahl <marcowahlsoft@gmail.com> writes:

> (add-hook 'visual-line-mode-hook
>           (lambda () (when (derived-mode-p 'org-mode)
>                        (local-set-key (kbd "C-a") #'org-beginning-of-line)
>                        (local-set-key (kbd "C-e") #'org-end-of-line)
>                        (local-set-key (kbd "C-k") #'org-kill-line))))

Nice -- I've added this to https://orgmode.org/worg/org-hacks.html

Thanks,

-- 
 Bastien


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* Re: Bug: Org line commands and visual-line mode bindings [9.3.7 (9.3.7-15-gc9abb4-elpaplus @ /home/gustavo/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20200727/)]
  2020-09-04 15:20   ` Bastien
@ 2020-09-04 15:44     ` Gustavo Barros
  2020-09-04 17:37       ` Bastien
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Gustavo Barros @ 2020-09-04 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: Marco Wahl, emacs-orgmode

Hi Bastien,

On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 at 17:20, Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:

> Hi Marco,
>
> Marco Wahl <marcowahlsoft@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> (add-hook 'visual-line-mode-hook
>>           (lambda () (when (derived-mode-p 'org-mode)
>>                        (local-set-key (kbd "C-a") #'org-beginning-of-line)
>>                        (local-set-key (kbd "C-e") #'org-end-of-line)
>>                        (local-set-key (kbd "C-k") #'org-kill-line))))
>
> Nice -- I've added this to https://orgmode.org/worg/org-hacks.html

I do think my other workaround is worth pondering to be included, so
that this would work out-of-the-box.  Do you see any particular
drawbacks of setting these bindings directly (that is, not by remapping)
in `org-mode-map'?

Best,
Gustavo.


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* Re: Bug: Org line commands and visual-line mode bindings [9.3.7 (9.3.7-15-gc9abb4-elpaplus @ /home/gustavo/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20200727/)]
  2020-09-04 15:44     ` Gustavo Barros
@ 2020-09-04 17:37       ` Bastien
  2020-09-04 18:24         ` Gustavo Barros
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2020-09-04 17:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Gustavo Barros; +Cc: Marco Wahl, emacs-orgmode

Hi Gustavo,

Gustavo Barros <gtvbrs@gmail.com> writes:

> I do think my other workaround is worth pondering to be included, so
> that this would work out-of-the-box.  Do you see any particular
> drawbacks of setting these bindings directly (that is, not by remapping)
> in `org-mode-map'?

You mean by adding something like

(org-defkey org-mode-map (kbd "C-a") #'org-beginning-of-line)

in org-keys.el?  I'm pretty sure such "hard" remapping breaks an Emacs
convention--I'll ask emacs-devel, because that would indeed fix the
problem you are reporting.

Thanks for insisting,

-- 
 Bastien


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* Re: Bug: Org line commands and visual-line mode bindings [9.3.7 (9.3.7-15-gc9abb4-elpaplus @ /home/gustavo/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20200727/)]
  2020-09-04 17:37       ` Bastien
@ 2020-09-04 18:24         ` Gustavo Barros
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Gustavo Barros @ 2020-09-04 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: Marco Wahl, emacs-orgmode

Hi Bastien,

On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 at 14:37, Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:

> You mean by adding something like
>
> (org-defkey org-mode-map (kbd "C-a") #'org-beginning-of-line)
>
> in org-keys.el?  I'm pretty sure such "hard" remapping breaks an Emacs
> convention--I'll ask emacs-devel, because that would indeed fix the
> problem you are reporting.
>
> Thanks for insisting,

Yes, that is what I mean.  I understand this kind of hard remapping 
would not be conventional, and is not the best solution.  But, in this 
case, it is not Org, but visual-line-mode which is going a bit too far. 
Org takes care of the presence of visual-line-mode, but the opposite 
does not occur.  Anyway, since you are asking emacs-devel, perhaps ask 
too if it would be possible for a major mode to set, something like 
`beginning-of-line-function' etc, which visual-line-mode, or even the 
original functions it substitutes, could then honor, as is done with 
`fill-paragraph-function', for example.  Something of the sort might be 
the proper solution.  "Hard" rebinding is what Org can currently do on 
its side, as far as I can tell.

Best,
Gustavo.


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